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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it

Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4035 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:38 pm to
No one has discarded anything. Except Jesus. He Himself explained in Matthew 5:18 exactly what would become of the law.

Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection was the fulfillment of that law.

Again, you have freewill to either accept or deny Him. But His Word is clear.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:41 pm to
Not surprising. Way to many churches have dropped standards to keep up with the times. Drives me nuts to see people sitting in the pew like they are going to the mall or gym. Wearing their hats and drinking their starbucks. The church doesn't force itself to be respected than its not surprising that no one does.

As to the sermons...if you don't have one every few weeks that make you uncomfortable and reevaluate something you are doing then you are not at the right church. ie...the ones that accept homosexual behavior are not Christian, but just a place to have people feel good about their sins.

This kind of thing also needs to be watched out for too...

(Rumble Video) Megan Basham: How the Federal Govt Used Evangelical Leaders to Spread Covid Propaganda to Churches
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61190 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:43 pm to
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Who predicted it?


You can find scores of books and articles on that subject dating back to the 50’s and 60’s if you choose. It’s a common topic in Christian eschatology
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61190 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:46 pm to
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Maybe you're unfamiliar with my posting style, but you don't get to 38,000+ posts by ignoring trolls, you get there by engaging them.



I’m neither concerned about your plethora of posts or your techniques to disarm said trolls. I have a belief system that I’ve tried to live by for the last 40 plus years, and my observations are just that, my observations.

P.S. I have over 50,000 plus posts. Do I get a prize?
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:52 pm to
I’m a Freemason that encounters the hypocrisy of self proclaimed America first patriots that hate freemasonry but love the constitution often
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61190 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:02 pm to
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I’m a Freemason that encounters the hypocrisy of self proclaimed America first patriots that hate freemasonry but love the constitution often




Hiram Abiff called. He wants his secret handshake back!
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
44104 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:52 pm to
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You lost me on that. I don't conflate my "rights" as set forth in the Constitution (by man) with rights set forth by some sort of supernatural entity.

Alas, the U.S. isn't a theocracy. Imagine men, interpreting obscure divine will, and then imposing it on others.

Those that think we should be governed by "God's Laws" and live in a theocracy should entertain the idea of moving to Iran.
I wasn't advocating for a theocracy. You had mentioned a specific period in time when a specific nation had a specific kind of government that resulted in people who didn't believe in God being put to death. I was just saying that it wouldn't be a violation of rights in such a government to put people to death for treason when the king is God.

We don't live in a theocracy, so it shouldn't be a problem to you. Also, while I'm a Christian, I don't think a theocracy is a necessary form of government for Christians. I do believe that all governments should recognize Christ as Lord and King and the source of their derived authority to govern, but that doesn't mean I believe we should return to the specific theocratic, civil laws of Israel from the Old Testament.
Posted by JimNat
Member since Jan 2020
890 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:20 pm to
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Their goal is Christian theocracy

Wrong. Any true born again believer does not want a theocracy. That would be Islam like Iran. This world is dying by the day, I want no part of it. Love my family and Gods creation but I have a future home build by God.
Lots of Christians love this world , but Jesus told us the world hated Him and would hate his followers. No saving this planet or this country, the ship has sailed. Trying to get new believers and praying for my brothers and sisters around the world.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:36 pm to
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You seem reasonably intelligent….

You've just joined an extremely small group.
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if you knew for a fact, Jesus Christ was indeed scourged, spit on, mocked and crucified, rose from the dead on the third day after being crucified, appeared to hundreds after being declared dead, and then ascended to Heaven and sits at the right hand side of the Creator would you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Said more succinctly, if Christianity were true would you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Probably not.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

"the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength."

God tells us not to put others at His level. It is He alone who is worshipped, not some Jew named Jesus, or his mom. That is one of my main sticking points with Christianity, how they break the 2nd and 4th commandments.

I would follow Jesus into God's Grace, even without your above conditions, but I will not hold him as high as God, nor will I pray to a crucifix or any other symbol.

And I'd even consider remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy.

This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Swamp Angel
Somewhere on a river
Member since Jul 2004
8938 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:36 pm to
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There is no such thing as a healthy Christian who chooses to separate themselves from other healthy Christians in the name of individualism.


Well said. Hebrews 10:25 covers that pretty succinctly:
"Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is..."

As LSU fans we tend to like to gather together on Saturdays in Death Valley as a community of like-minded people who enjoy each other's company. Why shouldn't Christians want to be together in weekly worship to the Almighty Creator with even more fervor than that? Yes, indeed. Christians most definitely ought to assemble together with regularity as the writer of Hebrews is quick to remind us.

ETA: I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with regard to this.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:38 pm to
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You can find scores of books and articles on that subject dating back to the 50’s and 60’s if you choose. It’s a common topic in Christian eschatology



And yet a quick search on the internet revealed exactly zero results.

I would also take it a bit more seriously if you had said the 500s and 600s. Recency seems like it could be biasing their interpretations.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:43 pm to
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I’m neither concerned about your plethora of posts or your techniques to disarm said trolls.

I didn't say I disarm trolls, just that I engage them.
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I have a belief system that I’ve tried to live by for the last 40 plus years, and my observations are just that, my observations.


It's not just your observations, you're making baseless and vague claims That I only ask you to support with some kind of source. You haven't really provided much content, just some bloviation. I've seen some of your other posts on the subject, and you seem to generally be more supportive of your positions - hence why I thought I might get some more specifics from you.

Alas, it's looking more like trolling.
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P.S. I have over 50,000 plus posts. Do I get a prize?

Why would you think you would get a prize? Merely for my indicating that I post a lot in response to trolls? That wouldn't really make much sense for you to be expecting a prize based on that.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6093 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:24 pm to
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This is more of America suffering because it's a victim of it's own prosperity than anything spiritual.

Failure to be grateful to the Almighty for his blessings, prosperity among them, is near fatal hubris and got Israel forty laps in the wilderness. In the end, it’s a spiritual problem IMO.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2704 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:27 pm to
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There are smart atheist


Uhm. No.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61190 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:05 pm to
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If what I just said isn’t true, I could easily flip the question back on to you: do you disagree with Acts 15?


I think this is a great reference as to eating and drinking



Matthew 15:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth;…..
17
Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?fn
18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61190 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:07 pm to
Nm
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 5:19 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56345 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:01 pm to
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You can find scores of books and articles on that subject dating back to the 50’s and 60’s if you choose. It’s a common topic in Christian eschatology


Forgive me if I do not borrow my eschatology from the past century. There are centuries of thought from both the Roman Church and the Eastern Church that contain no such thing.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25536 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 7:21 pm to
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Failure to be grateful to the Almighty for his blessings, prosperity among them, is near fatal hubris and got Israel forty laps in the wilderness. In the end, it’s a spiritual problem IMO.


So America's younger generations could remain just as lazy and entitled as they are today, our borders remain just as open, our tax and welfare policies can still promote people to work less, our politicians can continue being self servants instead of public servants, and on and on and on... We could still fix our woes despite all of that if we were just more grateful to God?
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 7:26 pm to
In all fairness, the church should have stayed off of television to begin with. The bad look is earned.
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