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re: for the pro-choice, here are your real choices
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:36 am to RogerTempleton
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Put in an exemption for cases of 1) rape and incest and 2) medical emergency where the mother's life is at risk (as determined by the doctor and patient, not politicians).
Then we have a deal.
So long as the decision is made within the first trimester I'd be sort of ok with that. After that you are essentially creating another victim of the crime
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:38 am to greygoose
We don't get paid much, certainly doesn't cover near the cost of raising a child
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:42 am to SammyTiger
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For a board that obsessed with “groomers”
no one seems to want to talk about how it’s a good thing to have an arduous screening process to get a kid.
Screening process isn't the issue. Cost is, and I think that's by design. More adopted kids would be raised in strong, stable homes. The left wants as little of that as possible.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:46 am to VADawg
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Screening process isn't the issue. Cost is, and I think that's by design. More adopted kids would be raised in strong, stable homes. The left wants as little of that as possible.
Not sure where you are, but in the state of Missouri the state covers the cost of adoption if you are a foster parent and are adopting kids from the system. Plus, nationally there is something like $15k tax write off to cover the cost of adoption, you just either have that money to cover the cost up front cost or find an adoption lawyer that will await payment until you've received the tax rebate
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:46 am to Dday63
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Don't even bother putting abstinence as your first choice. It just doesn't work.
Then there is option 2. Use protection. It comes down to self responsibility. Make smarter choices. Right now there are entirely too many people out there that dont take any responsibility for their poor choices and know that there will be an easy way out. And you are right about the fingers pointing at the Dad too, however the argument has been about womens choice.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:47 am to VADawg
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Screening process isn't the issue. Cost is, and I think that's by design. More adopted kids would be raised in strong, stable homes. The left wants as little of that as possible.
How many abortions are there a year and how many people are on the adoption waiting lists
Supply vs demand.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:50 am to bonescanner
Finally said, well said.
PS............have you seen some of these women screaming about this? I'm sure they have no worries about pregnancy, nothing nor any human being of sane mind would bang that much ugly!
PS............have you seen some of these women screaming about this? I'm sure they have no worries about pregnancy, nothing nor any human being of sane mind would bang that much ugly!
Posted on 6/28/22 at 9:58 am to greygoose
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You and me, when we read that, think "she might die". But, they will pervert that, and the same doctors who have no issues with aborting a viable fetus, will claim "health of the mother" over things like mental health and minor health issues that are easily treatable.
Which side of this do you want to error on? When we talk about abortion, this is what hits home for me and my wife on a personal level.
What is considered "acceptable risk" for society at large and politicians isn't acceptable when it affects you personally. A 10% chance that the mother might die because of a pregnancy abnormality? That might not sound like a big deal to others, but when it happens to you and your wife, I wouldn't take a 10% chance she dies. That's a personal decision - no one should get to make that except the patient. Aren't we supposed to be fundamentally opposed to big government for this very reason?
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:01 am to bonescanner
Odd how the only available "choices" should be the choices that YOU personally find acceptable.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:01 am to RogerTempleton
good point Roger, but how many of the abortions happening today are truly for those reasons? I would think the vast majority are being done by mothers who just dont want a baby and its an easy out. Even free in most intances. If abortion was truly being used for rape and risk to mothers and no other times, do you think we would be having this conversation?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:02 am to SammyTiger
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How many abortions are there a year and how many people are on the adoption waiting lists
Supply vs demand.
There are a little over 600k abortions annually and those numbers were trending down over the years. There are around 2 million families trying to adopt annually, and for every one child put up for adoption their are 36 families hoping to adopt.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:04 am to Dday63
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We need men to be held accountable for their role. Assist in paying for medical care, reimbursement for lost pay, etc
The government does a tremendous job at holding men financially accountable re: their baby mommas
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:05 am to bonescanner
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how many of the abortions happening today are truly for those reasons?
Don't you think the number is entirely irrelevant to the point that a fundamentalist approach to the issue isn't the correct one?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:07 am to bonescanner
Sure, the vast majority might. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't demand our elected officials to pass/change abortion laws to cover these situations.
When it comes to policy, the first thing I have to look out for is me and my family before I look at the "greater good". Before Roe v Wade was overturned, this was a larger moral issue for us but it didn't impact me and mine directly. Now it does. I've already called our state representatives to express my concerns over the subjectivity of the medical exemption, whether that does anything - who knows. Bottom line - the safety that Roe v Wade afforded us is gone.
When it comes to policy, the first thing I have to look out for is me and my family before I look at the "greater good". Before Roe v Wade was overturned, this was a larger moral issue for us but it didn't impact me and mine directly. Now it does. I've already called our state representatives to express my concerns over the subjectivity of the medical exemption, whether that does anything - who knows. Bottom line - the safety that Roe v Wade afforded us is gone.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:08 am to hubertcumberdale
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The government does a tremendous job at holding men financially accountable re: their baby mommas
No, they really don't. In the case of our two foster kids, we all know who the Dad is, so does the Mom. But we were recently notified that we have to take the kids in for a paternity test. When the children were born the mother didn't annotate on the birth certificate who the Dad was, by doing that, she got more money from the government for assistance. Now as the bio parents are "fighting" to regain custody the bio Dad has to prove he is the Dad.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:10 am to DisplacedBuckeye
no I don't think it is irrelevant. I think if those were the only instances that abortions were happening there wouldn't be near the push on one side to get rid of it. I admit my religious beliefs tell me its wrong. However, I don't think everyone needs to share my religious beliefs. But I do get angry and have feelings about people who take no self accountability for their decisions and have abortions. Look around society, everyone gets a trophy, no one is held accountable for their terrible decisions, and there's always someone to bail you out for making stupid decisions.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:15 am to bonescanner
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no I don't think it is irrelevant.
I didn't say it was irrelevant. I said it was "irrelevant to the point that a fundamentalist approach to the issue isn't the correct one."
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I think if those were the only instances that abortions were happening there wouldn't be near the push on one side to get rid of it. I admit my religious beliefs tell me its wrong. However, I don't think everyone needs to share my religious beliefs.
Sure, because the religious argument is a losing argument. Those who think it's wrong because of their religion aren't going to be swayed, and those who aren't religious don't care what your flavor of god thinks about their personal decisions.
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But I do get angry and have feelings about people who take no self accountability for their decisions and have abortions. Look around society, everyone gets a trophy, no one is held accountable for their terrible decisions, and there's always someone to bail you out for making stupid decisions.
"Personal accountability" goes right out the window with rape, incest, and underage mothers.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:28 am to AgSGT
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the mother didn't annotate on the birth certificate who the Dad was, by doing that, she got more money from the government for assistance.
This entitlement program would be gone today if I was in charge. fricking sickening.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:08 pm to bonescanner
Choice 2.5- If you suspect that protection failed go get emergency contraception. It's available, without a Rx, to women of all ages.
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