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For liberals even slightly wavering, Seattle should really be your canary
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:37 am
For years, conservatives have tried to tell liberals where the logical end of the road was for their ideology. In general, it's always been portrayed as fantasy.
Now look. Seattle simply MUST be in the top 10 list of cities that have catered to nearly every fricking liberal whim. And what has it gotten them? What has it gotten all the government officials who did this?
Now a damned thing. The mob STILL wants them gone.
I've said all the way dating back to when Reginal Denny was pulled out of a truck. "Why do liberals think that when the mob finally comes, they're going to ask who you voted for and you'll be spared?"
No. You won't be spared. I realize that on many fundamental levels, there are genuine philosophical disagreements between right and left. But bottom line is, sometimes you have to look at where the progeny of your ideology are headed and take a hard look.
You may think you can give government "just the right amount" of power......but that's just never how it actually works.
This is why I never understand the mistrust of private sector power and thinking that redirecting that power into a MORE centralized authority would be a net improvement. Nope. It will be worse
Now look. Seattle simply MUST be in the top 10 list of cities that have catered to nearly every fricking liberal whim. And what has it gotten them? What has it gotten all the government officials who did this?
Now a damned thing. The mob STILL wants them gone.
I've said all the way dating back to when Reginal Denny was pulled out of a truck. "Why do liberals think that when the mob finally comes, they're going to ask who you voted for and you'll be spared?"
No. You won't be spared. I realize that on many fundamental levels, there are genuine philosophical disagreements between right and left. But bottom line is, sometimes you have to look at where the progeny of your ideology are headed and take a hard look.
You may think you can give government "just the right amount" of power......but that's just never how it actually works.
This is why I never understand the mistrust of private sector power and thinking that redirecting that power into a MORE centralized authority would be a net improvement. Nope. It will be worse
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 10:38 am
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:39 am to ShortyRob
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the logical end of the road was for their ideology.
I wonder if they may be starting believe that slopes get slippery when you don't hold your ground on issues.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:39 am to ShortyRob
Over the last decades conservatives have been calling progressives communists and socialists, and they'd get the red arse over it.
At least now they're being honest with themselves now.
At least now they're being honest with themselves now.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:54 am to ShortyRob
DS said something in his "renunciation" thread that I think sort of spoke to this and sort of wanted to address from a philosophical standpoint, but didn't want do so as a point of excoriating him (which I thought it would have come off as).
Here's what he said:
I don't think this is an atypical attitude of people on the "left" who generally think of themselves as being reasonable.
My question is, at some point don't you have to look at the "methods" being employed to reach a certain goal and question whether it factors into the correctness of the "ultimate point of what the left is saying"?
At some point it becomes utter insanity not to do so.
Here's what he said:
quote:
I think the ultimate point of what the left is saying is more correct than not, the methods are my issue.
I don't think this is an atypical attitude of people on the "left" who generally think of themselves as being reasonable.
My question is, at some point don't you have to look at the "methods" being employed to reach a certain goal and question whether it factors into the correctness of the "ultimate point of what the left is saying"?
At some point it becomes utter insanity not to do so.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:00 am to Y.A. Tittle
They seem no different than any past or present religious cult. Liberalism is there's. See Jonestown, the dumbasses who committed suicide to hitch a ride on a comet, branch davdians, etc.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:03 am to ShortyRob
Living in Seattle combined with the general radicalization of the democratic party nationally has changed me from a liberal to a conservative.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:06 am to ShortyRob
Does anyone else find it odd that this happens in Bill Gates' hometown? I do. We find out that covid isn't what we were told it is, it becomes obvious that Gates is trying to profit off a fake virus he most likely had a hand in creating, riots break out and anarchists have taken over Gates' city.
Hmm...
Hmm...
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:08 am to ShortyRob
The mob is made up of angry, mentally weak people who hate the fact they even exist and they seek to impose their misery onto everyone else. Political ideology is but a means to accomplish this and make them feel in control and feel like they are doing something honorable to try and justify their atrocities
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:08 am to ShortyRob
FOR ANY LIBERAL EVEN SLIGHTLY WAVERING, WORK YOUR WAY BACK TO BEING AN AMERICAN AGAIN. NOW
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
I remember a time when liberal politicians would say they believe marriage should be limited to men and women...
...now, it's "frick all genders. Let men shite in a girl's restroom".
...now, it's "frick all genders. Let men shite in a girl's restroom".
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:15 am to MusclesofBrussels
I doubt anyone cares that much, but this is a pretty interesting article from a Jewish liberal former candidate for Seattle City Council on the radicalization of Seattle's democratic party. Basically there is no room for dissenting opinions, anyone who doesn't agree with the radical socialists is attacked, labeled "alt right" or a "nazi", and silenced.
This is slowly spreading through areas like Seattle, SF, Portland, LA, etc
LINK
This is slowly spreading through areas like Seattle, SF, Portland, LA, etc
LINK
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Recent elections in Seattle have been between liberal Democrats and far-left socialists identifying as Democrats. The 37th District Democrats, after a raucous meeting where members of the Democratic Socialist of America and the Socialist Alternative packed the house to get Sawant endorsed, could not come to a consensus. They eventually voted for a no endorsement in the race between Sawant and her liberal challenger, Egan Orion. Long-time local Democrats like Pat Murakami, who helped run President Obama’s campaign out of her home, were labelled as “conservatives” and passed over in favor of fringe left candidates.
Phil Tavel, a Jewish Democrat challenger to Sawant’s council ally, Council Member Lisa Herbold, was accused of “being supported by Nazis” by the Chair of the 34th District Democrats during an endorsement meeting of the group. Later in the evening a drink was thrown in a Tavel supporter’s face by the Chair’s partner.
Ann Davison Sattler, a long-time Democrat and former candidate for Seattle City Council, recently wrote an op-ed explaining that she is now switching to the Republican party:
“All my life I assumed that the Democratic Party believed in acceptance and tolerance, but that was not my experience in this race. Those claiming to be the most tolerant, through their political party affiliation, showed their intolerance to differing political thought and approaches to problems. They had to shame me and many others, including thousands of voters, for having such political thoughts. I say that is the opposite of tolerance and in fact harms our democracy more than a lot of other things. Claiming to have a virtue while doing the opposite is what should not be tolerated.”
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I think the ultimate point of what the left is saying is more correct than not, the methods are my issue. I don't think this is an atypical attitude of people on the "left" who generally think of themselves as being reasonable.
This is a variation of what I've seen for 30 years.
You even see it in discussions of communism. Leftists think, "it would work if totalitarians didn't do it"
I point out, "totalitarianism is REQUIRED to even have it"
Liberals, for whatever reason, seem to not understand that the "methods being used" aren't some accident. They are the only logical end to their ideology.
Capitalism can 100% survive if their are pockets of peole who want to set up their own personal communes.
Socialism cannot survive the opposite because if the state controls it, and a Capitalist comes up with a better, cheaper alternative, the state can't allow it to exist.
Totalitarianism from the left isn't a bug. It's a feature.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:19 am to MusclesofBrussels
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All my life I assumed that the Democratic Party believed in acceptance and tolerance, but that was not my experience in this race. Those claiming to be the most tolerant, through their political party affiliation, showed their intolerance to differing political thought and approaches to problems.
It's so funny to me because it's really just been bluntly true.
Conservatives, for at least 10-15 years, have understood the left and what it was BETTER than old school liberals who simply couldn't seem to come to terms with what they were building.
It almost feels like they maybe see it a bit, but actually accepting it requires acknowledging their own responsibility in its creation.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:25 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Yes. If your ideas cannot be adapted without these forcible "methods" it speaks greatly to the merits. If you have a better idea--people will adapt it. If you have to force it on people with violence--you don't have a better idea.
My question is, at some point don't you have to look at the "methods" being employed to reach a certain goal and question whether it factors into the correctness of the "ultimate point of what the left is saying"?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:31 am to MusclesofBrussels
quote:Quite the admission.
“All my life I assumed that the Democratic Party believed in acceptance and tolerance, but that was not my experience in this race. Those claiming to be the most tolerant, through their political party affiliation, showed their intolerance to differing political thought and approaches to problems. They had to shame me and many others, including thousands of voters, for having such political thoughts. I say that is the opposite of tolerance and in fact harms our democracy more than a lot of other things. Claiming to have a virtue while doing the opposite is what should not be tolerated.”
Collectivism requires group think. Leftists are NOT tolerant. They do NOT believe in diversity. They LOVE racism as--long as it's pointed toward their 'enemies'.
Leftist "diversity" is nothing more than every color of race thinking the exact same thing and acting the exact same way.
When they say "diversity" they really mean "compliance by different skin colors".
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:34 am to Y.A. Tittle
Not just the methods but the ultimate point of the left is wrong. The leftists goal is to reach perfect equality in all things and no hurtful words. Things like socialism at least have a hypothetical utopian state. Capitalism and things like it do not, because they are based on reality. Sounds great to aim for perfection, but most people know we live in an imperfect world and fallen man can never rise above man because...they are only man.
So when things inevitably don’t work out the way the leftists want (because they can’t), they demand a heavy hand to force the world to resemble their fantasy.
So when things inevitably don’t work out the way the leftists want (because they can’t), they demand a heavy hand to force the world to resemble their fantasy.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:39 am to ShortyRob
You know what how the Bolsheviks described their former strong supporters who began to waver at the sight of the wanton murder and destruction of anybody that the mob deemed to be a political enemy?
A former useful idiot that has out-lived his usefulness.
Believe me, this Leftist Revolution is now emboldened and will not stop until one side or the other is eradicated from the face of the Earth -- their demand -- UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER !!
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, USA -- now YOU are the one being subjected to a demand for Unconditional Surrender!! You'd better fight, because, it's now Fight or Die, USA. Fight or Die.
I hope you Fight.
A former useful idiot that has out-lived his usefulness.
Believe me, this Leftist Revolution is now emboldened and will not stop until one side or the other is eradicated from the face of the Earth -- their demand -- UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER !!
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, USA -- now YOU are the one being subjected to a demand for Unconditional Surrender!! You'd better fight, because, it's now Fight or Die, USA. Fight or Die.
I hope you Fight.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:53 pm to ShortyRob
what i find interesting is........and i have no actual data or facts to support this other than discussions with "those who support this type of movement"......
if you told conservatives that the country was being divided and we can relocate to an area where things would align with what we believe and support, most would be running to sign up.
if "the movement" is given that same option, they oppose all of this and want to be heard and want to shove it in your face.......only until things get to the point where they seem to be getting in Seattle, then they cry for help.
Odd how they think. If you're surrounded by all of your peeps, sit in your own shite.
if you told conservatives that the country was being divided and we can relocate to an area where things would align with what we believe and support, most would be running to sign up.
if "the movement" is given that same option, they oppose all of this and want to be heard and want to shove it in your face.......only until things get to the point where they seem to be getting in Seattle, then they cry for help.
Odd how they think. If you're surrounded by all of your peeps, sit in your own shite.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:55 pm to MusclesofBrussels
quote:
Ann Davison Sattler, a long-time Democrat and former candidate for Seattle City Council, recently wrote an op-ed explaining that she is now switching to the Republican party:
If SATTLER, who is almost as far left as Ocasio-Cortez, is switching parties, there's a HUGE problem.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:17 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:And, as I've pointed out, it's not so much that they "aren't" tolerant as the reality that they CANNOT be tolerant.
Collectivism requires group think. Leftists are NOT tolerant.
People who just want to commune among themselves can do so WITHIN a capitalist nation.
People who want to independently compete with and do better than overall production......CANNOT be allowed to exist in an overall socialist nation/communist nation. If they're allowed to exist, they break the entire system because independent people ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS end up exceeding the efficiency of collectively planned processes.
Thus, even if communists in their hearts don't want to be totalitarian, they MUST be totalitarian. WAY too many of them think, "but we'll just convince EVERYONE to not buck the system"...…….they never really think thru HOW that convincing takes place.
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