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re: For anyone in favor of taking the side of removing Confederate symbols...
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:26 pm to themunch
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:26 pm to themunch
One of my GFs was also a member of the CIC guard from 1780-1781. He was present at Yorktown. He was from Bedford, Va. and was granted land at Wofford Station settlement in NE Ga after the war. Are you a SAR member?
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:33 pm to hawkeye007
quote:because it is still our history. Denying it or hiding it won't make it go away. I would rather they stay as a reminder of how far we have come as a society
moving Confederate symbols... by hawkeye007
i have a very honest question for you. why does the south hang on to a horrible part of our history?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:59 pm to AuburnTigers
Confederate symbols should be in museums, cemeteries, and historical parks and NOT in public parks or on state/local government buildings. That's my opinion. Of course people can put those symbols on their private property if they wish.
Why? (1) Because the Confederates fought to destroy the United States of America. (2) Most of those statues were erected as part of an informal program to glorify whites, and segregate blacks in the era 1880-1930. They were erected as acts of defiance and an attempt to whitewash/glorify the old Confederacy.
Why? (1) Because the Confederates fought to destroy the United States of America. (2) Most of those statues were erected as part of an informal program to glorify whites, and segregate blacks in the era 1880-1930. They were erected as acts of defiance and an attempt to whitewash/glorify the old Confederacy.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:01 pm to AuburnTigers
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because it is still our history. Denying it or hiding it won't make it go away. I would rather they stay as a reminder of how far we have come as a society
Removing statues that honor these traitors isn't denying or hiding history.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:25 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:Everyone should read this until they understand it's truth. e.g. the specific Lee statue of note in Charlottesville wasn't erected until ~60 years after the war ended. It was explicitly part of a campaign to assert white supremacy and intimidate black citizens (the KKK was directly involved). I personally support leaving such abominations in place, but adding more plaques or whatever to explain all of this context. But it's absurd that any adult that is reasonably informed cannot easily identify and acknowledge why such a monument would be deemed offensive.
(2) Most of those statues were erected as part of an informal program to glorify whites, and segregate blacks in the era 1880-1930. They were erected as acts of defiance and an attempt to whitewash/glorify the old Confederacy.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:26 pm to RandySavage
I do not support the removal of any statue.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:28 pm to GeorgeWest
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Confederate symbols should be in museums, cemeteries, and historical parks and NOT in public parks or on state/local government buildings.
Not even public parks that have as their raison d'etre, preserving, and educating people about, that era?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:28 pm to RandySavage
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If you are against the Confederacy symbols but for the others can you explain how you can justify one in your mind but not the other?
I would ask you how can you support the Confederacy and worship the ideology? Thing is that flag means different things to different folks. Unless you are open to those ideas will continue to struggle around this issue.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:34 pm to Rakim
It should be voted on.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:36 pm to RandySavage
Taking down statues that act as shrines to a very embarrassing blemish on white people doesn't erase it from history. Some people think a 2000 year old book is the word of God for fricks sake and no one questions it. We have extremely well documented books on the civil war, what led to it, and what ended it. Our children today study it very thoroughly and no amount of statues being taken down have any effect on that. It will forever be in our history books, and if someone chooses to memorialize a soldier or a general, our constitution allows the right to have that on their property and in their homes. Regardless of you seeing it as heritage, thats just not what it is anymore. The losing side will be on the side trying to keep the statues up. Bottom line.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:39 pm to olddawg26
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Our children today study it very thoroughly
They don't really.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
We did. My school dedicated close to a month for the civil war.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
quote: (2) Most of those statues were erected as part of an informal program to glorify whites, and segregate blacks in the era 1880-1930. They were erected as acts of defiance and an attempt to whitewash/glorify the old Confederacy. Everyone should read this until they understand it's truth. e.g. the specific Lee statue of note in Charlottesville wasn't erected until ~60 years after the war ended. It was explicitly part of a campaign to assert white supremacy and intimidate black citizens (the KKK was directly involved). I personally support leaving such abominations in place, but adding more plaques or whatever to explain all of this context. But it's absurd that any adult that is reasonably informed cannot easily identify and acknowledge why such a monument would be deemed offensive.
This...
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:45 pm to olddawg26
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We did. My school dedicated close to a month for the civil war.
How old are you? I also bet you were raised in the South.
It's a lot different up here. I've met adults that were surprised that some Southerners fought for the Union.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:53 pm to Mo Jeaux
After living here for 12 years, I can say that Midwesterners generally know very little about the civil war.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:55 pm to LSU Patrick
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After living here for 12 years, I can say that Midwesterners generally know very little about the civil war.
I lived in the South for 14 years. My assessment would mirror yours. Perhaps it's just Americans in general...
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:56 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How old are you? I also bet you were raised in the South.
31 raised in the best coast city in GA
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:57 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I do not support the removal of any statue.
What about the statue of Joe Paterno?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:57 pm to RandySavage
wut?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:59 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
Confederate symbols should be in museums, cemeteries, and historical parks and NOT in public parks or on state/local government buildings. That's my opinion. Of course people can put those symbols on their private property if they wish.
Why? (1) Because the Confederates fought to destroy the United States of America. (2) Most of those statues were erected as part of an informal program to glorify whites, and segregate blacks in the era 1880-1930. They were erected as acts of defiance and an attempt to whitewash/glorify the old Confederacy.
As logical as it gets.
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