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Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:42 am to hawkeye007
As with many things in life, it's all about the optics.
Like it or not, the rest of the country views these statues as symbols of slavery and oppression.
Like it or not, the rest of the country views these statues as symbols of slavery and oppression.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:42 am to RandySavage
this is the white washing of the civil war. next your going to tell me it was about states rights.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:43 am to hawkeye007
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why does the south hang on to a horrible part of our history?
because it's still important? if we're gonna forget about the civil war, we should forget about the holocaust, too, right?
FTR, i know the holocaust had nothing to do with us, but the point still applies.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:43 am to RandySavage
This is fake outrage
You can remove everything and there will be other fake outrage
You can remove everything and there will be other fake outrage
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:43 am to weagle99
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MLK and a host of other monuments aren't sovereign countries. Should they be removed also?
oh god, i'd love to see the outrage over those.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:46 am to finchmeister08
your grandfathers fought and lost. Sorry the rest of the country wants to remove their participation trophies. No one remembers #2.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:47 am to finchmeister08
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because it's still important? if we're gonna forget about the civil war, we should forget about the holocaust, too, right?
You'd have a point if Germany hadn't intentionally destroyed any and every statue or monument related to the Nazi regime, other than the ones that make them look like the animals they were.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:47 am to hawkeye007
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i have a very honest question for you. why does the south hang on to a horrible part of our history? we were in the wrong and lost but yet we still celebrate
Actually lots of groups try to hang onto their heritage and the bad memories just so that isn't forgotten. Some horrible atrocities, like the Armenian genocide, are almost forgotten while others are well remembered. The systemic murder of peaceful southerners by the violent Yankees and then the attempted eradication of our culture during reconstruction is a dark time in our history and we should remember it as a warning to never trust the Yankees
Did you know that in the reconstruction schools they made southern kids kneel on corn cobs every time they said "y'all" or "fixin"?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:48 am to hawkeye007
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we were in the wrong and lost but yet we still celebrate it.
No.
The South was in the right… for the wrong reason.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:49 am to hawkeye007
Possibly because the post-Civil War era, Reconstruction, was pretty brutal and fostered a very long standing dislike of those north of the Mason-Dixon line. Or maybe it has precious little to do with the War Between the States and more to do with the civil rights movement, another incursion from those north of the Mason-Dixon line. Am not justifying anything but rather simply trying to respond to your inquiry
If removal is the course taken at least erect something, if even necessary, of a unifying or neutral message
If removal is the course taken at least erect something, if even necessary, of a unifying or neutral message
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:52 am to RandySavage
I don't care either way if the monuments are ultimately removed or not, but they shouldn't be removed arbitrarily by a mayor or city council vote. The citizens of that city/county should have a vote. Besides slavery existed under the confederate flag for only a few years.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:54 am to hawkeye007
Why are people in this country so weak minded to let inanimate objects drive them over the edge?Bunch of crybabies on both sides.Taking them down or leaving them up ain't going to affect your life one bit.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:56 am to hawkeye007
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i have a very honest question for you. why does the south hang on to a horrible part of our history? we were in the wrong and lost but yet we still celebrate it.
I don't think "we were in the wrong" for succeeding. That was once and should still be an option for any US state. The USA was always intended by the founders to be a voluntary union. We were wrong to support slavery for as long as we did, but it's easy for Northerners of the day to take a moral highground when their entire economy didn't revolve around slave labor.
The war and the way re-integration was handled afterwards was a complete disaster and is the ultimate cause for race relations that still persist today.
I am fairly certain Robert E. Lee would discourage hanging on to Confederate symbols for as long as we have, and much of the reason for these symbols being as prominent as they are have to do with push back against the North after the war and the integration of free blacks into white society.
That having been said, symbols are nothing in and of themselves without meaning attached to them. Destroying confederate monuments and removing flags doesn't do anything to help abolish racism.
I see nothing wrong with utilizing the confederate flag as a means of showing pride in your homeland or erecting monuments to celebrate confederate generals/soldiers. Many of the men who fought and/or died for the confederacy were good, honorable, decent folk who aside from sharing certain viewpoints unique to the period of time in which they lived, could probably show the current generation a thing or two about common decency.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:04 pm to Diary Queen
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but they shouldn't be removed arbitrarily by a mayor or city council vote. The citizens of that city/county should have a vote.
Do you understand how government works at all? The citizens elect officials and representatives to handle and settle these issues. Can you imagine if every citizen had to vote on everything that is brought forward?
So yes the citizens of the city/county did have a vote when they elected representatives for them.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:05 pm to BulldogXero
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but it's easy for Northerners of the day to take a moral highground when their entire economy didn't revolve around slave labor.
It basically did, they used mostly unskilled child labor in the mills, mines, and factories
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:09 pm to hawkeye007
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i have a very honest question for you. why does the south hang on to a horrible part of our history? we were in the wrong and lost but yet we still celebrate it.
I wouldn't agree with erecting these statues today. But they are there and a part of history. What does it accomplish by removing them? Install nearby statues of an alternative view. Use them as teaching tools.
Why is the default to remove things that we disagree with or that remind us of bad times in history?
I'm sure there are many statues, monuments, displays, museum pieces, etc., that I don't agree with. I don't want any of them removed.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:18 pm to gthog61
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This is fake outrage
You can remove everything and there will be other fake outrage
I agree, I'm just trying to understand how those that act outraged choose which dark parts of our history to get outraged about.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:19 pm to Musa I of Mali
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:21 pm to TiketheMiger
Yes, I know how government works all to well. And on a hot topic issue where outside influences and personal biases play into decisions the people should decide. Plus I doubt this SJW topic was an issue for any of these city elections.
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