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re: Food stamp prohibitions
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:04 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:04 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What portion of your income do you think goes to any individual government agency?
Hint the percentage is infinitesimally small..
Right.
So maybe morons like Wednesday can stop stressing about who spends what on food stamps as if she's somehow out of pocket 50 dollars every pay period over the fricking SNAP program.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:07 pm to Powerman
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What portion of your income do you think goes to SNAP benefits?
5% of the budget is high enough for me. LA spends over a billion dollars on SNAP.
And this argument is dumb anyway. It's like saying ehhh don't even bother improving things because it isn't the largest funded gov dept.
That sounds like government employee thinking.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:09 pm to Wednesday
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I have no idea if she had a job or not. But she did use a SNAP card to buy a big Gulp and a Bag of skittles. That means. She used my money to buy her food. Yours too.
Not only did I contribute to that purchase but I wIll also contribute to paying for her medical treatment to pay for the result of her ingesting liquid and solidified high fructose corn syrup as her dinner.
If the limitation on paying for certain non-produce items is your beef, I would agree that there should be ways to only pay for real food with SNAP/EBT. Some of the other ideas, including the OP, is a little to big brother or flat out silly for my taste.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:33 pm to Lickitty Split
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I gather some people have never heard of a means test. If you have the means to gamble, go to strip clubs, buy alcohol and smoke cigarettes then you have the means to support yourself.
What data is used in that means test, and how do a person’s spending habits affect it?
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You do realize that all bars are and casinos are already responsible to know that their patrons are of legal age and can require proof upon request and can deny entry.
And what level of connectivity with state and federal databases do those bars and casinos have when they scan an ID?
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Also, your drivers license has a ton of information on it already on that magnetic strip whether you know it or not. It can tell you a lot more than where you live and your age. It has your complete criminal history on it.
So complete criminal history is stored directly on the magnetic strip of my license?
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:56 pm to TrueTiger
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would suspend the right to vote for recipients.
Would this really matter though?
Think about it. Gerrymandering has almost made this practice ineffective. Most poor minorities are living in heavily democratic areas. And if you at charts of the effect rate that's on SNAP, you will realize that their are more than enough of them not on it to win a democratic district.
As for poor whites, same thing applies. They were going to win GOP anyway. It would solve virtually nothing at local ot state level.
I could also make the argument that if a state pushes this, it needs to have a healthy job market to employ these people.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:16 pm to Odysseus32
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lot of people on these boards claim to be about america, and about freedom, but you oppose everything this country stands for. You don't care for your own countryman unless they behave the way YOU want. Because YOU made it so why can't they? frick any advantages you may have had in the past, it was all hard work and anyone that is down on their luck just isn't trying.
Yall claim to stand for America but that's just flat out wrong. Get your heads out of your asses.
Amen. I knew about the small % actually allocated to welfare compared to other budgets. The reality they want to hear is this : Most poor people of all walks of life are scrapping by with low wage jobs. They need SNAP because they cant live off the wages they make.
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I'm supportive of hard work. But I think there is a disconnect between boomers and everyone else. Certain low skill high pay jobs just arent there anymore or were replaced.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:18 pm to lostinbr
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So complete criminal history is stored directly on the magnetic strip of my license?
LOL that's not how it works at all
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:21 pm to volod
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Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I'm supportive of hard work. But I think there is a disconnect between boomers and everyone else. Certain low skill high pay jobs just arent there anymore or were replaced.
Probably greater than 90% of people who complain about welfare are solely complaining about the morons who are misusing the programs, not those who are either working a job and just can't make ends meet or those who truly can't work.
Pretending otherwise doesn't advance the conversation at all.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:28 pm to BurningHeart
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is dumb anyway. It's like saying ehhh don't even bother improving things because it isn't the largest funded gov dept.
The best way to solve this problem is from the top, then move down. Remove the bureaucrats who are lazy. Cut the fat from the larger areas of our budget. There is a possibility that by fixing the major percentages, the lower ones will decline.
Again, job creation is the key to sustainability. Without that, everything else fails. Keep in mind you are going after an incredible small percentage of the population. Even if you fix these problems (which in themselves cost $) you arent fixing the real problem.
I agree we need restrictions. But this is literally chasing quarters down a hill.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:06 pm to Lickitty Split
IMO, there should be government run stores across the country where food stamp recipients purchase their food. These stores would be the only locations where food stamps could be redeemed. The savings from fraud alone would pay for these stores and assure that the people using food stamps are using them for food that is necessary to their healthy survival.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:13 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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So complete criminal history is stored directly on the magnetic strip of my license?
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LOL that's not how it works at all
Yeah it was a rhetorical question.. but he really did make that assertion.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:14 pm to Lickitty Split
I agree but this is the problem with the government having the power to deliver handouts. Once that happens they now have justification for controlling you and prying into your life. Even if you don't receive said handouts.
I don't want to have to swipe my ID and have the government track my every move and transaction with a private company or individual because some members of the public might abuse their freebies.
I don't want to have to swipe my ID and have the government track my every move and transaction with a private company or individual because some members of the public might abuse their freebies.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:24 pm to DavidTheGnome
"He who does not work does not eat"
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:27 pm to Wednesday
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You’re probably right. But even a bureaucrat can figure out that a Big Gulp and skittles have a black hole of a nutritional value.
That is, until the 7-Eleven and Mars. Inc. lobby come calling
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:47 pm to volod
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Amen. I knew about the small % actually allocated to welfare compared to other budgets. The reality they want to hear is this : Most poor people of all walks of life are scrapping by with low wage jobs. They need SNAP because they cant live off the wages they make.
Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I'm supportive of hard work. But I think there is a disconnect between boomers and everyone else. Certain low skill high pay jobs just arent there anymore or were replaced.
Your post has a couple of assumptions in it that are flawed. I have bolded them for your convenience.
Here is a basic rundown of how a capitalistic market works.
Demand for skill goes down > workers get laid off or paid less > workers find a new trade or learn a new skill to improve themselves > worker gets a new job that's in demand > worker gets paid more > overall standard of living rises > whole economy benefits
Now you know what happens when we subsidize these people's incomes?
The chain stops here...
Demand for skill goes down > workers get laid off or paid less
Guys... yall need to start thinking deeper than what just appears on the surface.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:57 pm to NCdawgfan34
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If that is what you want for food stamp recipients then lets do the same for Eaton Corp, McDermott International, Iberdrola, NextEra Energy, NRG energy, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Boeing, GE. Accept all their owners, board memebers, and executives can't go to any sporting event, buy airplanes, well honestly antyhing other than necessities because they receive well over 150 Billio
Did you really think people on this board or conservatives in general would disagree with this sentiment?
What don't you understand?
Most, not all, but most conservatives want NO government handouts.
To anybody.
For any reason.
Look at the root word here...
CONSERVatives.
I can see why you would be confused because root word doesn't translate to the word Liberal. Liberals stole that moniker the way fascists stole ANTIFA
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 5:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I’m not in favor of restricting where food stamp recipients can go that are indoendentof their food purchases. That IS an invasion of privacy
However, I think it is perfectly reasonable and easy to accomplish to restrict what kind of food they are buying
That's a reasonable argument to make as it could be a slippery slope to ridiculous and intrusive value judgments over other people's lives BUT it is in fact the ridiculously poor value judgments they themselves made that put them in the position to have to live off of Joe Taxpayer in the first place.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 5:12 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Nobody on this earth is better than anybody else.
It's not a conversation of one person being better than another. It IS a conversation about those who take advantage of others that have to pay into a system to have their own nice things.
Sorry, I'm not responding to who I replied to it it was the first one I copied the quote from. Newb.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 5:19 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Again, allow me to use my little family we "helped" as an example.
For two years the kids were pretty spoiled by my wife and I , we bought them basially everything we would have bought our own kids , because well we can afford it and kids shouldn't have to do without. But the parents, the father would drink ONE beer if we were hanging out and I offered , after work or whatever when we were watching a ball game and such. He wasn't ut spending HIS money on beer while I was spending MY money trying to help his family get back on their feet.
They didn't have the biggest TV Wal Mart carried, or the fanciest shoes or any of that, no titty bars .
You know why? Because we insisted and my wife set down with them and taught them how to budget and we taught them how to grocery shop and cook at home to save money, etc etc.
Because I wanted to see a positive outcome from my monetary investment.
The difference, of course, is that no one in government cares bout positive outcomes. Just give money away and hope for the best.
Pay attention liberals^
Here's your fricking hero.
This is charity done right. This is real Community Action. This is helping those less fortunate.
"Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
That's real charity.
Knowledge is power. Self-control is power wielded.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 5:23 pm to nola000
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"He who does not work does not eat"
Yeah
If we want a starving country that sounds like a good idea
If someone is in between jobs they shouldn't eat?
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