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Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:43 am to RidiculousHype
quote:It’s certainly not good news for any president or his administration when principals and friends start getting convicted of felonies and cooperating on God knows what with a special counsel’s office.
It seems that people are making this news out as bad news for Trump.
FWIW, people should have seen this coming for a week with all the distractions going out over twitter and the leaked rumblings about the Embassy move.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:44 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
Trump seems to have made a big effort to keep Flynn on side. Much more than Manafort.
What makes you think this? Not disputing it, but just wondering where this comes from.
Because this quote:
"He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable," Trump told reporters at the White House at his first solo news conference as chief executive.
"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
doesn't sound to me like he was worried about staying buddies with Flynn. He could have been a lot more generic in his public statements.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:44 am to boosiebadazz
quote:So, I guess he could have came in and retroactively registered like the Podesta's and others.
That one seemed like a slam dunk from what’s in the public domain.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:45 am to TigerDoc
quote:
He was talking on the phone to the Russian ambassador. The IC was monitors those calls. Flynn is probably on tape.
Flynn took money from RT and Turkey. OGE memo 16-08 makes it clear this is a federal crime unless he had specific permission. Why would the Army/Obama admin want him meeting with the Russians? Why would they let him take money from the Turks? They didn't fricking like him anyway.
His goose was cooked a long time ago and I can only assume the reason he was never called on it was that he was viewed as an easy flip if he was involved in something larger.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:45 am to teke184
Two counts of failing to register as foreign govt shill. Turk. Rus.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:46 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Because this quote:
"He didn't tell the vice president of the United States the facts and then he didn't remember, and that's just not acceptable," Trump told reporters at the White House at his first solo news conference as chief executive.
"I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence."
doesn't sound to me like he was worried about staying buddies with Flynn. He could have been a lot more generic in his public statements.
Trump has since praised him and publicly told him to stay strong.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:49 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
Trump has since praised him and publicly told him to stay strong.
Gotcha. So it sounds like you think there's a good chance Trump directed Flynn to talk to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions. Is that accurate?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:50 am to RidiculousHype
That is certainly possible.
Additionally Flynn was at the meeting with Kushner to set up a back channel, the reasons for which are dubious at best.
Read this LINK
Politico article outlining why this meeting was a bad idea. This was written back in JUNE. If this kind of insight could be drawn then from someone outside the investigation, imagine what Mueller knows now.
Additionally Flynn was at the meeting with Kushner to set up a back channel, the reasons for which are dubious at best.
Read this LINK
Politico article outlining why this meeting was a bad idea. This was written back in JUNE. If this kind of insight could be drawn then from someone outside the investigation, imagine what Mueller knows now.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:51 am to Decatur
Talk about no heat on those chicken wings.
False statements?
OMFG...
False statements?
OMFG...
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:53 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Gotcha. So it sounds like you think there's a good chance Trump directed Flynn to talk to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions. Is that accurate?
Even if Trump didn't direct him, there's always the cover-up. They never proved Nixon had any part in planning the Watergate but it was the cover-up that got him.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:54 am to TigerDoc
quote:
Even if Trump didn't direct him, there's always the cover-up.
In that scenario, what would they be covering up? I mean, he did fire the guy.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:57 am to atlgamecockman
quote:
That is certainly possible.
So let's take it one step forward. Let's even say there's an audio tape of Trump telling Flynn, "hey go talk to the Russian ambassador and tell him not to get too worked up over these Obama sanctions". Then what happens?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:57 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
In that scenario, what would they be covering up? I mean, he did fire the guy.
Sanctions relief would've been the quo in the quid pro quo (Russians delivering emails to wikileaks were probably the quid).
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:00 am to Knight of Old
quote:Now let me help you to take that second step in thinking about these things—the way an investigator might think about them—though we’re mere laymen. Starts with asking the right questions.
Talk about no heat on those chicken wings.
False statements?
OMFG...
What were the false statements about?
Why would he feel the need to make false statements about what he made false statements about?
Bonus question.
Why did the last foreign policy advisor convicted of making false statements also happen to make them to conceal the same kind of activity?
ETA: Looks like Tigerdoc and RH have already walked the conversation a few steps down the path.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:01 am to TigerDoc
Looking at what little is included in the information, it could soon be Kushner’s time in the barrel. He was all over that UN vote stuff.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:01 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
he did fire the guy.
Recall as well that Comey has testified that Trump pressured him to back off Flynn. This was around the time as well Comey claims Trump asked him for a loyalty pledge.
Also, he was reluctant to fire him, and the firing came well after the lie had been exposed.
Trump was loyal to Flynn, even after his firing. The question begs why. Christie implored him not to hire him.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:02 am to The Spleen
quote:
Comey claims
quote:18 days.
and the firing came well after the lie had been exposed.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:04 am to Navytiger74
Also worth considering, Trump was calling around to Senators yesterday asking them to end their Russia probe and he (obviously allegedly at this point) is trying to promote the head of the CIA to state. Why? What would make Pompeo more qualified than Mattis, McMaster, Kelly, hell even Rick Perry...
ETA: I was wrong, the calls to senators were made over summer, news broke yesterday.
ETA: I was wrong, the calls to senators were made over summer, news broke yesterday.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:04 am to Jbird
18 days is an eternity in the political sphere sometimes
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