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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:43 pm to notsince98
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:43 pm to notsince98
But you said he went around to help him due to the supposed claustrophobia. How did that restraint method help him? It was at that point Floyd started saying he couldn’t breath.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:44 pm to notsince98
quote:What do you think a jury’s decision? It is their opinion as to whether it’s beyond a REASONABLE (important distinction you omitted) doubt.
People's opinions aren't good enough for a conviction. It only matters what can be proven beyond doubt.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:44 pm to auggie
quote:What? Where are they going to hold it? Maybe not in Minneapolis but assuredly it has to be held in the state where he was charged under a state’s criminal laws.
This trial won't be happening in Minnesota probably,
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:45 pm to BarberitosDawg
quote:
There you go but, don't let the militant rioting stop or the verbose comments stop coming forth from the established "peanut gallery."
You can be choked to death without being strangled. He was talking. Nobody is denying he had airflow. He was possibly still choked to death.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:48 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
What? Where are they going to hold it? Maybe not in Minneapolis but assuredly it has to be held in the state where he was charged under a state’s criminal laws.
they could also go with a trial in Minneapolis... but find the jury from another part of the state
I seem to remember a high profile case in NOLA where the trial was held in NOLA... but due to pre-trial publicity they got the jury for the case from Lafayette
I wish I could remember what case that was
ETA: the murder of former Saints player Will Smith maybe? not 100% sure about that
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:49 pm to Smeg
quote:
the knee contributed
A contribution is not a direct cause.
Yup. Especially important for Murder 3.
I think they get a MS conviction to stick
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:49 pm to ljhog
quote:Thank you
I must given you credit for coming up with that tidbit.
quote:The ME's report says so. While he doesn't directly say it I think we can safely infer that when the ME says "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police" he is talking about the knee to the back of the neck and not the officer sitting on his legs.
What I'd like you to explain his how the you know the knee on his neck "contributed" to his death.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:50 pm to BlackAdam
He will be charged and probably plea guilty to federal civil rights violations. State charges will be dropped.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:50 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
What? Where are they going to hold it? Maybe not in Minneapolis but assuredly it has to be held in the state where he was charged under a state’s criminal laws.
I think it has to be moved from Minnesota, to find an impartial jury, who would know nothing about the case. I don't think it has to be held in The State, it would probably be preferable as far as the costs involved.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:54 pm to auggie
quote:How can they hold a criminal trial, which falls under the criminal code and jurisdiction of each individual state, in another state?
I think it has to be moved from Minnesota, to find an impartial jury, who would know nothing about the case. I don't think it has to be held in The State, it would probably be preferable as far as the costs involved.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Same here
If Chauvin is acquitted, I might join with them. That was a murder.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:58 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
How can they hold a criminal trial, which falls under the criminal code and jurisdiction of each individual state, in another state?
It's been done many times before. It's called a change of venue. The same laws of the state where it happened would still apply, and you would have the same prosecutors and court officials, they would just hold court in a different state, with a jury pool selected from a different population.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:58 pm to buckeye_vol
If true I’m betting he will plead guilty to manslaughter or walk.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:59 pm to Ancient Astronaut
quote:Are you under the misimpression that is the ME finding?
How is it murder if he didn’t cause the death?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:03 pm to Roaad
quote:
If Chauvin is acquitted, I might join with them. That was a murder.
Same here
y’all have fun 
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:03 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
But you said he went around to help him due to the supposed claustrophobia. How did that restraint method help him? It was at that point Floyd started saying he couldn’t breath.
Incorrect. Floyd started claiming he couldn't breath while standing upright and not being restrained by anything else but cuffs.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:05 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
What do you think a jury’s decision? It is their opinion as to whether it’s beyond a REASONABLE (important distinction you omitted) doubt.
Of course the jury's opinion matters but they are basing their opinion on the evidence presented if it is a proper and untainted jury. The law directs them if there is reasonable doubt to not convict.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:05 pm to auggie
quote:Provide one example of a state’s criminal trial being tried in ANOTHER STATE.
It's been done many times before.
quote:And the jury would hardly a jury of his peers.
The same laws of the state where it happened would still apply, and you would have the same prosecutors and court officials, they would just hold court in a different state, with a jury pool selected from a different population.
Besides, this is a huge story not only nationally but globally with murderous dictators on the other side of the world commenting on it (Erdogan). Where do you think you would find any more impartial of a jury outside of Minnesota?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:06 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
The ME's report says so.
No, it does not say that. It says "likely" meaning it was not proven to be.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:09 pm to notsince98
quote:Allegedly (we don’t know if that came from the officers or audio from the arrest), but that doesn’t really help the cop since he then proceeded to put him in a restraint that they are trained to know is dangerous and kept him in the restraint after he was unconscious, told he didn’t have a pulse, after bystanders begged him to stop because he might be dying, after an ambulance was called, AND AFTER the ambulance arrived.
Incorrect. Floyd started claiming he couldn't breath while standing upright and not being restrained by anything else but cuffs.
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