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re: Florida Surgeon General Seeks to End ALL Vaccine Mandates
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:43 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:43 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Yes. But it's always impossible to account for how retarded people will twist something. You certainly can't revolve decision making based upon it.
I didn't mean decision making... moreso the words he chose in announcing his decision.
I agree with vaccines being something that ought not be mandated- I just took issue with his wording of the announcement.
Aaron Siri could have, and did have, a much better way of relaying that information (no more mandates).
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:43 pm to TigerDoc
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I think the terminology is confusing. It's a mandate in the sense that it's a legal eligibility requirement for participating in a public communal setting (e.g. you wouldn't be ineligible for online school, but would be ineligible if you gather with others in meat space). The fact that you have other options for these services make it a less serious situation than compulsory vaccination with penalties that deprive you over liberty (incarcerate you).
You should be embarrassed by this retardation.
ANYTHING that you are told you must do or else you will receive negative consequences inflicted upon you by the government is a fricking mandate.
Otherwise, shite. Let's no ban abortion. Let's just pass a law that says if you get an abotion, we will sterilize you. Then, we can say, "well, ya know, you had other options!!!!"
Hell, let's just say, if you don't openly agree to call trans real women, you can't have a driver's license. I mean, you HAD CHOICES!! That's not a mandate!!!
Pahfrickinlease.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:55 pm to JKeller34
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The flu shot isn’t always effective as it’s predicting the most likely strains for the upcoming season. At best it’s a guess around 40-60% match.
I’m well aware, as it was mandated in the military. I mean, in the medical community it may not have been considered a mandate, but that’s what most people would call it.
The point is that on the whole it will either save medical expenses or it won’t. If it will, then maybe it should be mandatory. If it won’t, why the hell are we still giving it to millions of people?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:57 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
your support of the terminology is noted.
but if that's the case then we're each awash in mandates for gazillions of things, most of which we accept with a shrug and among them all this one is fine. Sick kids get to go to school. Well kids avoid the chance of measles death or disability( not a trivial risk!), our healthcare costs are contained, etc.
So, justified, like I said to Flats.
but if that's the case then we're each awash in mandates for gazillions of things, most of which we accept with a shrug and among them all this one is fine. Sick kids get to go to school. Well kids avoid the chance of measles death or disability( not a trivial risk!), our healthcare costs are contained, etc.
So, justified, like I said to Flats.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:00 pm to Flats
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If it will, then maybe it should be mandatory. If it won’t, why the hell are we still giving it to millions of people?
Do you have any ability to understand nuance? Dear god dude, it's like talking to someone who typed out the sentence 'maybe we shouldn't trust the pathology' in reference to one of those vaccine weirdos and thought it was a good point.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:00 pm to TigerDoc
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but if that's the case then we're each awash in mandates
To inject something into your body? That’s a bit different than a mandate to cross the street only at intersections.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you have any ability to understand nuance?
They’re your words, not mine. Is the medical community issuing millions of flu shots every year that aren’t effective? You seem to think so.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:03 pm to Flats
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Is the medical community issuing millions of flu shots every year that aren’t effective?
What does the efficacy data show? Are you honestly this dense? Actually we both know the answer to that question.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:09 pm to Flats
that's a good point. There should be a high bar benefit-wise and lots of good evidence. Luckily there is.
crazy will know more about how close/plausible this is than me, but if we could get some less invasive delivery systems (inhalable, muscosal, oral, etc.), I think that would defuse at least a good chunk of adversarial vaccine politics. The fear of contamination by the vaccine has been a fear from the beginning and vaccines were initially dangerous. If you snorted variolated small pox scabs there was a 3% of death. But lots of people still did it because that was 1/10 of the disease mortality. Inoculation has to get a lot safer than that to endure the resistance politics of impurity, but thankfully it has... at least for awhile.
crazy will know more about how close/plausible this is than me, but if we could get some less invasive delivery systems (inhalable, muscosal, oral, etc.), I think that would defuse at least a good chunk of adversarial vaccine politics. The fear of contamination by the vaccine has been a fear from the beginning and vaccines were initially dangerous. If you snorted variolated small pox scabs there was a 3% of death. But lots of people still did it because that was 1/10 of the disease mortality. Inoculation has to get a lot safer than that to endure the resistance politics of impurity, but thankfully it has... at least for awhile.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:11 pm to VoxDawg
From Google AI....
That ^^^^ seems like a lot of jabs.
I'm 66 and I don't think I've had more than 10 jabs in my life. Polio, DPT, measles, chicken pox....that's all I can think of.
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There is no single number for the average American under 40, as the total vaccinations received depend heavily on birth year, personal medical history, and compliance with annual recommendations. However, a typical individual born in the late 1980s or 1990s who followed standard vaccination schedules would have received at least 60 to 70 doses by age 18, plus additional shots in adulthood.
That ^^^^ seems like a lot of jabs.
I'm 66 and I don't think I've had more than 10 jabs in my life. Polio, DPT, measles, chicken pox....that's all I can think of.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:11 pm to Flats
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To inject something into your body?
Inject around 30-40 somethings... those shots add up.
I can understand informing, educating and persuading- but not mandating over 30 separate injections. Hell, I am not "antivax" but if you said I'd have to have my skin breached and be injected with a smidge of SALINE 30+ times in order to do what the government says I must do- I'd definitely balk.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:17 pm to Flats
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Is the medical community issuing millions of flu shots every year that aren’t effective?
Yes. What are you not understanding? Also depending on when you see the doctor it could be a completely different vaccine than when released for that season.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:25 pm to TigerDoc
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if we could get some less invasive delivery systems (inhalable, muscosal, oral, etc.), I think that would defuse at least a good chunk of adversarial vaccine politics.
Those routes should be used more often in vaccine design, but they have their own downsides. For some particular pathogens, they might be the best design though. The first polio vaccine was oral and I think there are several others we could use if we somehow had another cholera or typhoid outbreak.
But my view is that even with several advances in methods, we would get people angry about some even more oblique aspect of vaccination. I'm sure we would start getting inane questions about the potential downsides of an IgA mediated mucosal immune response with other forms of vaccination.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:25 pm to crazy4lsu
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What does the efficacy data show?
You’re an “expert”, right? You said flu shots aren’t really effective. Why are we giving injections that aren’t effective? Is that what the data shows or are you fos?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:30 pm to Flats
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Why are we giving injections that aren’t effective? Is that what the data shows or are you fos?
They’re elective, people are choosing to take them. The data does show that they’re not always effective or miss the strain. I choose not to get them because my doctors have said they don’t always work.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:31 pm to JKeller34
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Yes. What are you not understanding?
If you use every brain cell and think really hard, you’ll figure out that the question is somewhat rhetorical.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm sure we would start getting inane questions about the potential downsides of an IgA mediated mucosal immune response with other forms of vaccination.
Undoubtedly, I just wonder if it might provoke a little less inanity? I think one of the nice features of how the pandemic response developed at least for awhile was there was a "red vaccine" (Novovax) at least on the horizon (as it turned out, the tribal epistemology eventually coded all COVID vaccines blue). Or if we could've somehow made the Modern vaccine code as red and Pfizer code as blue, we might still have mRNA research today.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:34 pm to Flats
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Why are we giving injections that aren’t effective?
I think he's saying there are different standards of efficacy for vaccines that are offered to the public than for those mandated for the public (and I'd add yet another standard for compulsory to the public if we're going back to early 20th century smallpox).
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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The first polio vaccine was oral
Nope... Salk's IPV predated Sabin's OPV by six years.
IPV became preferred due to OPV being able to actually cause disease and has viral shedding.
OPV offers better overall immunity, but IPV is good enough in our country's particular situation at this time of having no wild virus transmitting. Risk/benefit and all that leads to preferring ipv.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:37 pm to TigerDoc
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but if we could get some less invasive delivery systems (inhalable, muscosal, oral, etc.), I think that would defuse at least a good chunk of adversarial vaccine politics.
Really? You think the distrust earned by the medical community of experts shitting itself in slow motion was mainly due to the delivery method of the vaccine/not-a-vaccine?
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