re: Florida Surgeon General Seeks to End ALL Vaccine Mandates

I think the terminology is confusing. It's a mandate in the sense that it's a legal eligibility requirement for participating in a public communal setting (e.g. you wouldn't be ineligible for online school, but would be ineligible if you gather with others in meat space). The fact that you have other options for these services make it a less serious situation than compulsory vaccination with penalties that deprive you over liberty (incarcerate you).

I guess we disagree, but an incarceration restricts me to a penal facility.

A mandate just makes me ineligible to participate in some educational venues while still being able to select others.

It is restrictive, though. I agree there.

But I think it's justified. Otherwise, families may be practically forced to opt out of some school settings because their medical conditions prevent them from being safely vaccinated themselves. The move to no mandates moves people like Rhett Krawitt, a then-7-year-old with leukemia from going to school with other students (he was an activist for a California prop on this that helped keep vaccination rates sufficiently high for such kids to stay safely enrolled).

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But I think it's justified.

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I do as well, but not because it saves money.

I brought up finances because I thought it would be compelling on this board that loves to complain about their resources going to others' preventable harms. I agree that there are other arguments as least as good.

yeah, I'd say it's not sufficient and I maybe should've said so earlier. Otherwise, you're right, you could end up with some absurd policies, but I don't think it's wrong to include it on a list of reasons to buck up vaccine mandates.

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It’s not really a good one at all. I’ve given several examples of ways to save money on health care that no sane person wants to implement.

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And avoided discussing using vaccines as a low-cost way of saving money on infectious diseases because you can't get past the variable efficacy of the influenza vaccine.

That reminded me of a possible method of undermining the anti-vax retards, by pointing out that pharmaceuticals stand to make much more money in the utopia of anti-vax than they do in a world where vaccines are mandated.

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And avoided discussing using vaccines as a low-cost way of saving money on infectious diseases

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You cannot be this stupid. I don’t CARE if it saves money.

Children are very impressionable.

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Now do your Covid advice, Mr Expert. Or tell us how the medical community gives out millions of flu shots that, according to you, aren’t effective.

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Yeah, maybe we should invoke your 'maybe we shouldn't trust the pathology' nonsense. My COVID advice was definitely beyond your paygrade, especially if you can't understand why the flu vaccine is not particularly efficacious.

yes, plus the timing of the flu schedule is terrible relative to the school schedule. They'd end up making a worse prediction to get kids to have it on time.