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re: Florida Politics: “National support for Ron DeSantis hits low point — again”
Posted on 9/23/23 at 2:23 pm to International_Aggie
Posted on 9/23/23 at 2:23 pm to International_Aggie
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No it doesn’t. It’s possible to think the last election was stolen due to fraud and still think Desantis would be a better candidate. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Thank you.
And it likewise is not a mutually exclusive proposition to recognize that the 2020 election was stolen yet still think Trump is a first rate circus clown. Yet several of DeSantis’ most rabid supporters on this forum are so emotionally invested in their candidate they simply can’t leave it at that.
No, they have taken to regurgitating whole the MSM narrative that any talk of the brazen election fraud we all witnessed here in real time is the equivalent of being a flat-earther. They sadly have adopted such a stance at the expense of their own continued credibility.
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 5:15 pm to OccamsStubble
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The more you run him down, the fewer people vote for the 80 year old big spender. You’re chewing off your own leg, and it’s funny
They don’t realize how fricking stupid they are.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 5:26 pm to St Augustine
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They don’t realize how fricking stupid they are.
Stupid is refusing to get out if the race but expecting your opponent to lay off.
The day he gets out if the race is the day people stop attacking him. He’s fair game right now.
Don’t blame the other boxer for continuing to punch if your own corner wont throw in the towel.
The truth is that Desantis is owned by people who will not allow him to preserve his dignity and step out of the race. He will be forced to take these punches because he still influences people like you. And you are the objective. The plan is to keep people like you from voting for Trump.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:14 pm to moneyg
Acknowledging that my thoughts on this have evolved somewhat over time, my current belief is that Desantis probably would have liked to get out earlier on and preserved his probable healthy odds for 2028, but just had too much pressure around him to fight the idiots who have likely been advising and counseling him based on their own selfish intentions.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:17 pm to jbdawgs03
frick them conservatives we ridin with trump and them big insults
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:18 pm to moneyg
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Don’t blame the other boxer for continuing to punch if your own corner wont throw in the towel.
You're confused. Again. The comment wasn't about laying off DeSantis so he could pull out of the campaign. It was stop attacking the most conservative candidate like a liberal would, in order to stop giving actual conservatives a reason to not vote Trump in the general.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:35 pm to OccamsStubble
You gonna turn on Desantis when he endorses Trump?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:45 pm to jbdawgs03
frick all you conservatives sign up to the new way or GTFO, money printing forevarrrrrrr
Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:58 pm to OccamsStubble
Are we using your definition of “conservative” or one of the other two million people’s own unique version? I’d be careful assuming that everyone else in the country is on the same page as you and adopted your personal version. Because yes, “conservative” can’t be near properly defined in a couple of sentences. It would take many sentences to accurately cover the bullet points of conservatism. What are the chances everyone else’s page of bullet points would be the same as yours? I only say this to highlight the reality that although it’s a widely common practice to just willy nilly throw these terms around, truth be known most people are not on the same page even though they discuss it casually as if they are.
Moral of the story? Maybe I’m not a “conservative” to you, but maybe you’re not a “conservative” to me. It’s one of those things that gets more ridiculous the more you think about it.
Moral of the story? Maybe I’m not a “conservative” to you, but maybe you’re not a “conservative” to me. It’s one of those things that gets more ridiculous the more you think about it.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:47 pm to davyjones
I’m using the one where I work my arse off to get an “outsider” elected, and he ends up being the biggest money printer of any president in history
That definition
That definition
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:53 pm to OccamsStubble
Nice avoidance
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:55 pm to davyjones
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Acknowledging that my thoughts on this have evolved somewhat over time, my current belief is that Desantis probably would have liked to get out earlier on and preserved his probable healthy odds for 2028, but just had too much pressure around him to fight the idiots who have likely been advising and counseling him based on their own selfish intentions.
If he were being a rational politician whose objectives were to preserve his reputation, he wouldn’t have chosen this battle.
Even if he did choose this battle, he would have, as you’d aid, realized by now that it was a mistake and that it’s harming him for the future.
It’s easy to see. He’s not acting on that basis. All you have to do is listen to his campaign or his supporters and you realize that it’s Trump centric. It’s all they talk about.
And guess what, he’ll be in this race for a while, sowing anger and resentment.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:56 pm to davyjones
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Are we using your definition of “conservative” or one of the other two million people’s own unique version? I’d be careful assuming that everyone else in the country is on the same page as you and adopted your personal version. Because yes, “conservative” can’t be near properly defined in a couple of sentences. It would take many sentences to accurately cover the bullet points of conservatism. What are the chances everyone else’s page of bullet points would be the same as yours? I only say this to highlight the reality that although it’s a widely common practice to just willy nilly throw these terms around, truth be known most people are not on the same page even though they discuss it casually as if they are.
Moral of the story? Maybe I’m not a “conservative” to you, but maybe you’re not a “conservative” to me. It’s one of those things that gets more ridiculous the more you think about it.
Is there a definition of "conservative" that includes spending like a liberal? I don't think there is, and am guessing that's his point.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:00 pm to David_DJS
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You're confused. Again. The comment wasn't about laying off DeSantis so he could pull out of the campaign.
You are the one confused. I didn’t say that.
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It was stop attacking the most conservative candidate like a liberal would, in order to stop giving actual conservatives a reason to not vote Trump in the general.
Again, the attack isn’t going to stop as long as he’s in the race. He will continue to be harmed until he gets out.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:02 pm to OccamsStubble
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frick all you conservatives sign up to the new way or GTFO, money printing forevarrrrrrr
How can anyone look at the Republican Party over the last two plus decades and pretend it has done anything fiscally responsible. It’s quite amazing.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:06 pm to moneyg
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You are the one confused. I didn’t say that.
What did all of this mean?
Stupid is refusing to get out if the race but expecting your opponent to lay off. The day he gets out if the race is the day people stop attacking him. He’s fair game right now. Don’t blame the other boxer for continuing to punch if your own corner wont throw in the towel.
That doesn't seem to be about voters.
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Again, the attack isn’t going to stop as long as he’s in the race. He will continue to be harmed until he gets out.
lmao - you just proved my point.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:10 pm to David_DJS
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What did all of this mean?
Stupid is refusing to get out if the race but expecting your opponent to lay off. The day he gets out if the race is the day people stop attacking him. He’s fair game right now. Don’t blame the other boxer for continuing to punch if your own corner wont throw in the towel.
That doesn't seem to be about voters.
About the voters? What are you talking about.
You said:
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The comment wasn't about laying off DeSantis so he could pull out of the campaign.
You can’t even keep up with your own commentary.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:20 pm to David_DJS
Definitely Dave, spending would be a bullet point. But that’s where it gets even trickier. We’d probably agree that bullet points are incomplete junk without the accompanying further explanation and information under each. I believe that’s where folks begin to engage in wasted time, when they say screw the further explanation and information, we’ll just assume that not only are everyone else’s explanations same or closely similar, but so are the bullet points.
I know that’s a bit long winded, but moral of the story is that it’s a near certainty that your meaning of “liberal spending” is different than mine, which is different from the next guy’s, and so on. The differences range from a little to perhaps a lot. I wouldn’t think of imposing mine on you and I would hope you give me the same consideration. Times many, many thousands at least.
I know that’s a bit long winded, but moral of the story is that it’s a near certainty that your meaning of “liberal spending” is different than mine, which is different from the next guy’s, and so on. The differences range from a little to perhaps a lot. I wouldn’t think of imposing mine on you and I would hope you give me the same consideration. Times many, many thousands at least.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:20 pm to moneyg
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About the voters? What are you talking about.
FFS moneyg, you keep telling me how brilliant you are. Just read the f'n post you responded to.
Here’s the post you responded to –
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The more you run him down, the fewer people vote for the 80 year old big spender. You’re chewing off your own leg, and it’s funny
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They don’t realize how fricking stupid they are.
And you responded by going into this thing you keep repeating about DeSantis being a target until he cries uncle, and I pointed out that that has nothing to do with Trump turning off conservatives by targeting DeSantis with liberal bullshite.
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You can’t even keep up with your own commentary.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:25 pm to davyjones
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I know that’s a bit long winded, but moral of the story is that it’s a near certainty that your meaning of “liberal spending” is different than mine, which is different from the next guy’s, and so on. The differences range from a little to perhaps a lot. I wouldn’t think of imposing mine on you and I would hope you give me the same consideration. Times many, many thousands at least.
I'll just point out that it's the Left that drowns itself in gray, and the Right that is supposed to tend to want some black/white. Words really do have meaning.
"Liberal spending" means spending like or worse than a liberal. Trump's spending was worse than Obama's, and that's before we got to the trillions he championed for a virus.
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