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re: "Fiscally conservative but socially liberal"
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:07 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:07 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm sure it'll annoy some on here, but I think this particular combination is a major part of the rot in the conservative movement.
100%
Conservatism isn’t about lower taxes and limited government. Those are outgrowths of the ideas of freedom and the imperfectability of humanity. The core values are social in nature.
Remove the idea of the nuclear family and it’s not conservatism anymore. No matter what the hipsters say.
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:09 pm to Pettifogger
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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other
The Libertinearians are pissed.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:09 pm to burger bearcat
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recovering libertarian myself
You have been convinced the Constitution isn't that important. Congrats!
Yes, we can let people live they way they want (outside of breaking laws) and ditch the nanny state. It is very possible if we demanded it. But everyone wants a suck on the govt teet.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:11 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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They can do it in their backyard. That does not make it more or less moral. You don't have a defined, exclusive property right to a public park. It is not owned by you. Someone has a greater property right than you do to define what happens on that property. Again, has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with property rights.
So I can frick in my front yard.
Dumb frick libertarians.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:13 pm to Flats
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You seem to think that morality can be extracted from the law and it's just not possible. If you want laws, you want moral values enforced. That's just a fact.
lol...no, it's not a fact. And, of course you can legislate without morality. But--only if you have guiding principles.
You have made it clear that you do not have defined, guiding principles. You support government doing what you like and you disagree with government doing what you don't like. That's the problem.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:14 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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And, of course you can legislate without morality. But--only if you have guiding principles.
Lol. I don’t think you know what either “morality” or “guiding principles” mean.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:15 pm to the808bass
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So I can frick in my front yard.
Or play hard porn on an LED billboard, because private property.
I'm not trying to be a dick but there's an awful lot of shallow thinking in this arena.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:17 pm to Flats
Libertarians are usually stupid when it comes to pragmatics. They’re brilliant in the abstract, the world where no one lives.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:19 pm to burger bearcat
I'm not "fiscally conservative and socially liberal". A lot of people say that but that's not what they really are.
What most people mean is that they are fiscally conservative and don't care about social issues.
The fiscal conservative part of me wants you to be happy, whether you are gay, trans, black, female, straight, or even an Alabama fan. Just don't ask me give up any freedom or money to help you find your happiness.
What most people mean is that they are fiscally conservative and don't care about social issues.
The fiscal conservative part of me wants you to be happy, whether you are gay, trans, black, female, straight, or even an Alabama fan. Just don't ask me give up any freedom or money to help you find your happiness.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:21 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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lol...no, it's not a fact. And, of course you can legislate without morality. But--only if you have guiding principles.
Explain the difference between "guiding principles" and values.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:22 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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You have made it clear that you do not have defined, guiding principles. You support government doing what you like and you disagree with government doing what you don't like. That's the problem.
All laws are created because of some moral value. You can't murder, that is a moral value.
For the record, when I am talking about legislation, I actually believe this should mostly be done at the state and local level. I would prefer the federal government have as little power as possible. But since we currently live in this country with an all powerful federal government, I would prefer if fit a more Christian/Biblical worldview as opposed to the it's current Pagan/hedonistic worldview.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:23 pm to the808bass
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Lol. I don’t think you know what either “morality” or “guiding principles” mean.
Don't take this the wrong way, but you've made it clear that you are in the deep end with no floaties. I'm certain you don't understand the arguments being presented. And, that's ok.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:23 pm to burger bearcat
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You can't murder, that is a moral value.
Dude, he calls that a "guiding principle" so it's totes different.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:28 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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Being fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" is really the only philosophically defensible position.
It all ties to property rights.
Government should exist only to defend property rights.
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1000% agree.
Also I think the major problem is that radicals are trying to force their radical nonsense on others.
I don’t care if somebody wants to suck dog dicks in their home that they own and pay taxes for.
Just don’t start demanding that I suck dog dicks too.
Or teach my young children that sucking dog dicks is a good thing.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:28 pm to Flats
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Explain the difference between "guiding principles" and values.
Guiding principles are objective. They can be applied across the board regardless of time. Values are subjective, unique to the individual, and change over time.
Guiding principle 1: Property owners can control, use, transfer or dispose of their property in any manner that does not violate the rights of others.
Guiding principle 2: An individual's body is his/her own property.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:29 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you've made it clear that you are in the deep end with no floaties.
Bro. You’re stupid and don’t even know it. That is normal for stupid people.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:30 pm to burger bearcat
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All laws are created because of some moral value. You can't murder, that is a moral value.
No. The reason you can't murder is because to do so would infringe upon someone's most basic property right.
Just because you find it to also be the moral thing (me, too, obviously) does not mean that it is the reason for the law.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:31 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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The reason you can't murder is because to do so would infringe upon someone's most basic property right.
Lol
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:31 pm to Pettifogger
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quote: How about fiscally liberal but socially conservative?
I was about to say that in a vacuum, I might be here
Sounds like communism to me.
There are no vacuums.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:34 pm to Ex-Popcorn
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Guiding principles are objective.
I give.
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