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re: First time in us history not a single Dem will vote for a tax cut
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:21 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:21 pm to The Spleen
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those savings for stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders.
This is a bad thing?
On top of that there is a chance they'll choose to invest in USA since the corp tax rate will not be competitive globally.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:21 pm to The Spleen
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Outright claiming those savings will trickle down to the lower and middle class is not based on any real facts though
Economics works..........always. In fact, it doesn't just work, it's undefeated.
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Big corporations are going to use those savings for stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders
Um.................uh.......Oh, nevermind. It's fricking hopeless.
I'd rather go teach physics to 3rd graders. It would be easier.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:23 pm to Dock Holiday
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This is a bad thing? On top of that there is a chance they'll choose to invest in USA since the corp tax rate will not be competitive globally.
Honestly, this country is fricking hopeless. We are a nation of financial morons.
It's like people don't even have passing familiarity with basic financial actions and terms.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:24 pm to The Spleen
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Big corporations are going to use those savings for stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders.
Oh, the horror!!!!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:25 pm to Haydo
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My point is that the corp. reduction will have a much bigger effect on the economy and individuals than the changes to the individual rate will have on individuals.
While I, and many others not on the left, agree, that's a hard sell to any person a millimeter left of center.
I'm sure you don't care much, but if we're to convince any lefties that this bill isn't the end of the world, keeping it simple and telling them they'll save $2,000/year is the way to go IMO.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:25 pm to teke184
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can be done but pretty much requires everything break their way because they are having to play so much defense this cycle.
I didn't think they could win in Alabama, and I know that's a special case, but its goes to show they are motivated based on reactions to that race.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:27 pm to ShortyRob
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Honestly, this country is fricking hopeless. We are a nation of financial morons.
Something we agree on...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:32 pm to Dock Holiday
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This is a bad thing?
I didn't imply it was. Those things don't always trickle down to lower and middle class individuals though.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:34 pm to BamaAtl
So BamaAtl claims the bill is a tax hike on more than 50% of families on page one and hasn’t posted again 5 pages later.
So pathetic.
So pathetic.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:35 pm to The Spleen
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I didn't imply it was. Those things don't always trickle down to lower and middle class individuals though.
False.
I mean, look. I get it. It's now an article of faith among liberals that what you said is a proven thing.
And, I already know from experience, that it's impossible to explain to a financial illiterate why it literally CANNOT be true.
But, yeah. It can't.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:50 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not a tax cut, it's a tax increase on >50% of families.
I recall a time immediately after Charlottesville when you claimed ANTIFA wasn't present and had nothing to do with the violence, and I thought to myself, this guy couldn't get any dumber if he tried.
I guess I was wrong
Get some help my friend. Its borderline unhealthy to be as detached from reality as you are.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:53 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Obama saved me $2500 a yea for 8 years on healthcare so as long as the increase in tax is less than $20,000 I 'm good right?
It's not a tax cut, it's a tax increase on >50% of families
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:01 pm to BamaAtl
Just making shite up at this point.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:03 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not a tax cut, it's a tax increase on >50% of families.
And hundreds of thousands of Americans WILL DIE!!!!!!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:30 pm to DEG
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Reagan knew how to build bridges. Trump doesn’t. Getting zero dem votes is as much a reflection on Trump as its is their own political point of view.
No it isn't
Reagan couldn't get any of these modern day democrats to vote for his agenda either.
Furthermore Reagan couldn't have won with in todays climate with his calling out the national guard on Berkley.
I personally think Reagan was a much better man and a whole lot smarter/polished than Trump but in the fricked up world we live in today I don't think Reagan could have survived the media onslaught.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As frustrating as it is, at least Republicans have dissenting opinions and layers of complexity within the party. (i.e. even with just this tax bill, with repealing Obamacare, etc.)
I'd rather dissenting opinions to make sure proposals are looked at from different angles and different nuances are worked out. And then at worse, nothing happens which is better than just ramming something through just because your party proposed it. (*cough Obamacare cough*)
The lock-step voting is currently all Dems, but yet they are the one that scream "we need to come together!" "we need to reach across the asile!"
I'd rather dissenting opinions to make sure proposals are looked at from different angles and different nuances are worked out. And then at worse, nothing happens which is better than just ramming something through just because your party proposed it. (*cough Obamacare cough*)
The lock-step voting is currently all Dems, but yet they are the one that scream "we need to come together!" "we need to reach across the asile!"
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:59 pm to CommoDawg
quote:You are a confused commy
Yes, the party of the people are going to vote for a huge corporate give away
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:03 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not a tax cut, it's a tax increase on >50% of families.
You know how I know you are wrong? Because 50% of families don't pay a frickin' cent of Federal Taxes.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:53 pm to Yak
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You're gonna have to cite those numbers
Sure, the Joint Committee on Taxation's report on the conference bill from yesterday.
You're welcome!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You can't....it's an outright lie
From the JCT report:
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On average in 2027, taxes would rise modestly for the lowest-income group, change little for middle-income groups, and decrease for higher-income groups. Compared to current law, 9 percent of taxpayers would pay more in 2019, 12 percent in 2025, and 50 percent in 2027.
Just because you're an ignorant adherent to a fool's ideology doesn't mean that other people aren't capable of math, jackass.
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