re: First time in us history not a single Dem will vote for a tax cut

Can't believe the arrogance and stupidity of Obama back when he put on those fake tears, thinking his faux emotions were going to convince a nation to abandon the 2nd Amendment.

'omagosh did you see obama cry?'
'yeah, it was like, so moving'
'i took all my guns to the police station today.'
'me too.'
'there will never, like, be suffering ever.'
'obama is just so smart.'

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Fair statement. So have job opportunities increased? In what sectors? Have wages increased? Investments increased by the middle class?

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That's a discussion we can have as the results of this bill become more apparent.

When BamaAtl opens (his/her) mouth when they do not understand the topic at hand.

Why the frick are people not paying more attention to the corporate rate? IMO that's the ONLY thing that matters.

Whoopdy-fricking-doo or boo-fricking-hoo: Some people will save $2k or will pay $2k more (roughly $40 per paycheck). I've seen those numbers being applied to "majority of middle income".

These numbers mean nothing to no one.

A reduction of 15% corp tax is HUGE and that WILL trickle down. That is inevitable.

My point is that the corp. reduction will have a much bigger effect on the economy and individuals than the changes to the individual rate will have on individuals.

I posted this in a similar thread and this is long, but I have a theory on why not a single Dim has voted in favor of the tax overhaul at any point. There have been countless chances for at least one to vote in favor of this overhaul, but not a single vote for it by that side of the isle at any point.

We have gone round and round trying to pin down the reasons there has been a complete cold shoulder turned on this bill. I’ve seen the stereotypical reasons, but glazed right over them looking for something more concrete.

With every major change like this there are short-term failures, short-term wins, long-term failures and long-term wins. I’m now of the belief the Dims will use parts of this tax plan and the basis for their midterm assault on attempting to win power in the Senate.

Here is my example/theory: They will find a single mom, working 2 jobs, raising four children, and make her the poster child for why this tax plan is bad. They will find one of the plans perceived short-term failures and describe how it’s made this single mom’s life that much more difficult. They will grind that belief into the living rooms, they will use her face and her children’s face and claim there are countless thousands just like her across America that are hurting or fear for their future due to this ill-conceived tax plan that only helps the wealthy. They have enough media outlets in their back pocket to make this an easy task. There will be charts, pictures, testimony, data, and the best part POLLS, that show how it’s leaving behind struggling Americans and helping only the wealthy.

Winning a majority in the Senate in 2018 has been their focused goal once Trump won, they are pushing all chips forward, as all comments and actions seem to be focused in this goal. They will use this tax bill as their platform and shift the focus away from Wall Street Gains, GDP growth, etc… They know there will be some short-term failures/misses of this bill and they will focus their efforts onto those limited failures and say “I told you so, that’s why not a single one of us voted for it” … “It’s only good for the privileged few”. They will attempt to use the GOP’s most recent crowning achievement against them.

Having the majority in the Senate is the best chance they have of slowing down what they perceive to be bad for their party base. The GOP continuing to have the majority in the Senate and House, while having Trump in the WH to 2020 and beyond is the worst-case scenario for them. It starts for them by winning the Senate in 2018 and they will pull out all the stops, tug on all the heart strings they can, fabricate as many “me too” stories as they can, and the tax plans short-term perceived failures will be their basis for action, their tool to divide…

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one with a sunset on it

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Oh for frick's sake.

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Getting zero dem votes is as much a reflection on Trump as its is their own political point of view.

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It's a reflection of who Democrats have become. Period

Flipping the Senate is an uphill battle for them.

The number of seats up is something like 24 for Dems and 8 for Republicans.

It means the Dems have to flip one or more seats in purple states like Nevada without losing any in red states like West Virginia and Montana.

It can be done but pretty much requires everything break their way because they are having to play so much defense this cycle.