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re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:24 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:24 am to RollTide1987
Signed up with Crowder but not really expecting much. Not a mug-club member yet. Wanna wait & see how this plays out.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:25 am to wryder1
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If you’re going to pay me to do a job right, then you should back me up as long as I can prove I’m right.
Your confusion is your belief that his job's responsibility was bring right, when that's irrelevant. His job is to get clicks/views for ad/revenue.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:26 am to RollTide1987
Too bad the deal fell through. As Crowder is just another neocon shill for perpetual aid to Israel, he would have fit in perfectly at the DW.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:26 am to MasterDigger
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This is ESG at work.
My lord y'all love throwing around NPC memes incorrectly
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Crowder: Ivermectin works and should be studied for this...
Third Party(with no contractual ties to Crowder): Banned
Crowder's Employer: We're cutting your pay because someone else gets to decide your speech for all of us.
That third party is who pays the bills, so yeah? That's how jobs work.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:27 am to i am dan
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Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
This is dumb
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:28 am to AUCom96
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This "free trade" thinking isn't playing anymore. The game board has been bought and the rules are being abused.
I never thought I'd see the day when so many Commies were posting on here
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:28 am to GumboPot
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YouTube, Rumble and other streaming video ad revenue. Also members of this MugClub, merch and live appearances.
The main point being the guy isn't hurting for money
I'd rather just be independent if I were him even though the daily wire offer was great
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am to RollTide1987
Just join the mug club. You now have a cool mug to drink your coffee our of.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am to Powerman
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I'd rather just be independent if I were him even though the daily wire offer was great
This
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am to GumboPot
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If he signed that DW contract he would restricted to only the speech that DW approves of.
In exchange for a lot of money. Money that I'm presuming he can't generate on his own (or else he'd do this himself).
He doesn't have to "start his own Twitter" here or anything.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am to Powerman
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Honestly seems like a pretty generous offer with reasonable stipulations.
Have you ever listened to Crowder? If you had, you know that the very reason his show is popular routinely does and would continue to get his account suspended from leftist social media outlets. So one is left to conclude that the purpose behind the DW's offer was not to hire Crowder, but to hire a muzzled Crowder, which would result in him losing his audience, damaging his brand and having his pay cut every time a leftist internet company decided to tweak him. It's actually the exact opposite of "reasonable". It pretty much sounds like a purposeful insult.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:30 am to RollTide1987
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:33 am to Powerman
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I'd rather just be independent if I were him even though the daily wire offer was great
Exactly. I do this (on a much smaller scale, admittedly). I gave up an extremely lucrative contractual agreement (if I could have stuck it out would have net me 7-figures last year) because it was having serious effects on my health and mental state (hence, if I could have stuck it out. There's a good chance I'd have started self-medicating or something worse).
Freedom has a cost, and it is usually sacrificing money in the context of employment.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:34 am to RollTide1987
Check out Styx’s take: LINK
The T&Cs of the contract basically reduced his revenue with every social media strike. With pink haired brigades and soft social media platforms he would be out of business in a couple of years.
The T&Cs of the contract basically reduced his revenue with every social media strike. With pink haired brigades and soft social media platforms he would be out of business in a couple of years.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:34 am to RollTide1987
Crowder is in the wrong here. Listen to the daily wire video explaining the initial offer sheet, which was expected to be negotiated like all contracts.
I felt the exact opposite before hearing their side. They show the complete, non-redacted offer sheet. They really have nothing to hide in this situation.
Crowder has an oversized expectation of what he should be paid for someone who didnt even know his shows numbers. No idea how many mug club subs, nothing.
Its a bad look for crowder here, and he is easily my favorite conservative entertainer. It sucks
I felt the exact opposite before hearing their side. They show the complete, non-redacted offer sheet. They really have nothing to hide in this situation.
Crowder has an oversized expectation of what he should be paid for someone who didnt even know his shows numbers. No idea how many mug club subs, nothing.
Its a bad look for crowder here, and he is easily my favorite conservative entertainer. It sucks
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:34 am to AUCom96
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So one is left to conclude that the purpose behind the DW's offer was not to hire Crowder, but to hire a muzzled Crowder, which would result in him losing his audience,
You think they were offering to light $12.5M/year on fire just to "muzzle" Crowder?
His audience is very important to the expected revenue he'd generate for DW. But an audience without revenue isn't worth $12.5M/year.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:35 am to GumboPot
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The T&Cs of the contract basically reduced his revenue with every social media strike. With pink haired brigades and soft social media platforms he would be out of business in a couple of years.
This applies with the DW or not, really.
Unless some platform wants to pay him lots of money to not generate revenue...out of charity or something.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:36 am to AUCom96
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Have you ever listened to Crowder? If you had, you know that the very reason his show is popular routinely does and would continue to get his account suspended from leftist social media outlets. So one is left to conclude that the purpose behind the DW's offer was not to hire Crowder, but to hire a muzzled Crowder, which would result in him losing his audience, damaging his brand and having his pay cut every time a leftist internet company decided to tweak him. It's actually the exact opposite of "reasonable". It pretty much sounds like a purposeful insult.
Well that's the thing about choice. He wasn't forced to work there and he chose not to.
He probably made the right choice for himself but it doesn't mean that the offer was unreasonable.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:36 am to msutiger
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it invites Big Tech to really clamp down on the DW hosts knowing they have a lot of incentive to bend.
It doesn't "invite" anything. This has been the situation with content creators since the reaction to Charlottesville.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:38 am to GumboPot
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If he signed that DW contract he would restricted to only the speech that DW approves of.
Define "approves of." If he has a change of heart and starts spewing a bunch of leftist nonsense, can they not fire him? Surely there is some limit they can impose, no?
Don't really buy that in general. DW allows multiple viewpoints from their people. As an example, Candace has been hanging out with Kanye and was defending him pretty strongly. Shapiro denounced that but I don't think they fired her and I'm not sure if they penalized her.
Rather it seems like Crowder's issue is that if youtube takes him down, he would be at least partly on the hook for the financial losses. My question is, how is that different from his life today? Is he arguing for them to wear the financial losses of his being taken down?
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