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re: Federal Vaccine Mandates
Posted on 10/16/21 at 4:12 pm to okietiger13
Posted on 10/16/21 at 4:12 pm to okietiger13
Can you do a home test but at work before entry? They’re in a box 2:$25 or so. Same one our nursing home uses for rapid tests.
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Posted on 10/16/21 at 4:17 pm to mikeytig
Idk. Our facility gets Medicare and Medicare money and are only about 50/66% vaccinated.
No one has said yet that it’s mandated. But they are having issues finding workers so
No one has said yet that it’s mandated. But they are having issues finding workers so
Posted on 10/16/21 at 4:22 pm to Tomatocantender
I don’t understand. Help me?
Posted on 10/16/21 at 4:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I was told those do it yourself test kits were acceptable. That’s the cheapest option.
I wasn’t going to suffer it, so I quit.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:06 pm to Chromdome35
I read your OP….essentially tyrannical BS? I wholeheartedly agree. We must resist the current authoritarian regime.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Lmao! I call bull shite on them. There have always been processes for submitting exemption requests
I'm not so sure about this. What's the process for submitting a medical exemption? I'm trying to think of a time or scenario the government would need medical information from someone if it wasnt related to a disability or to perform the job.
If you know... what is required for a medical waiver package? Doctors' note? blood work? Who reviews and approves a medical waiver? My boss doesn't need to see my medical history and he doesnt have a right to.
I think there are legal challenges or potential legal challenges in the gray area with this. I'll say my command and unit have multiple lawyers because we deal in rules of engagement activities worldwide. They will typically err on the side of caution, so that is what might be happening here.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:19 pm to Mac Power
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I'm not so sure about this. What's the process for submitting a medical exemption? I'm trying to think of a time or scenario the government would need medical information from someone if it wasnt related to a disability or to perform the job.
First of all, it's not really an exemption, but an accommodation. The government doesn't grant exemptions, but they make accommodations. And every agency has a process for it, but most personnel don't know them. It doesn't matter if it's for COVID or not; the process is SUPPOSED to be the same.
This is no different than any other time that someone would request a medical accommodation for a job requirement they are unable to fulfill. The difference is, instead of a deaf or blind person needing assistance to conduct their job, it's someone unable to take a shot because a medical condition.
The problem is, agencies are changing their processes because of the unusually high number of accommodation requests as a result of the mandate.
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If you know... what is required for a medical waiver package? Doctors' note? blood work? Who reviews and approves a medical waiver? My boss doesn't need to see my medical history and he doesnt have a right to
I've never submitted a medical accommodation request, so I don't know what would be required. But I would imagine some form of documentation from a physician would be necessary. And, at least in my agency, there is an agency contact for accommodations (one for religious, and one for medical). My understanding is that supervisors are not made aware of the requests unless accommodations are granted, and then it is only what the accommodations will be. They are not notified of the medical or religious justifications for the accommodation.
This post was edited on 10/16/21 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:31 pm to Cowboyfan89
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every agency has a process for it, but most personnel don't know them
You can say that again. My command doesn't know ours and can't tell who to talk to.
I do have to question it if the process is turning medical info over to HR. If it's just a doctor's note to HR, I dont see how HR can overrule that doctor's note.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 5:54 pm to Mac Power
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I do have to question it if the process is turning medical info over to HR. If it's just a doctor's note to HR, I dont see how HR can overrule that doctor's note.
They don't overrule accommodation requests so much as they deny them. To me, overruling implies that they disagree with them. Unless they can prove that it's a lie, they can't deny it by claiming its false.
They can deny it if they can't provide a reasonable accommodation, i.e., providing one would be adverse to the agency or make it impossible for you to do your job. I don't think there are many instances of that prior to COVID, because a reasonable accommodation could be changing your position to fully telework if that is possible, or moving you to a different position entirely.
Even religious accommodations aren't denied very often. One of the arguments that will inevitably made with the COVID RA requests is that someone didn't hold that religious belief before. There is court precedent set that, just because a person believed something before, doesn't mean their beliefs couldn't change. I believe the caveat was that something had triggered the change, but the gist of it is that it's extremely difficult to even argue against a religious accommodation request.
Posted on 10/16/21 at 9:18 pm to Pezzo
Ignore the mandate. And sue the federal government for overreaching. The end. Grow some fricking balls
Posted on 10/16/21 at 9:43 pm to Mac Power
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I dont see how HR can overrule that doctor's note.
You must be new to China.
Posted on 10/17/21 at 6:10 am to Chromdome35
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SW Airlines' hands are tied by the government in how they have to approach
Only if they choose to have their hands tied. If they don’t choose to, and others also refuse to , then things change. If not, then lick the hands that feed you without end amen.
Mandates are absolutely 100% unconstitutional, and everyone knows it too. That is the only law of the land that you have to fall in line with. Anything else that puts the screws to the Constitution is tyranny, and as such needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice, as it is a threat to this country. If it is foreign, or if it’s domestic, it matters not. It is ALL of our enemy. The sooner we come to terms with that the better for us all.
Change starts with rebellion, and as a land founded by rebels, we just need to recapture that spirit of freedom and liberty and reclaim what is rightfully ours.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 6:14 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:25 am to Cowboyfan89
I'm still working through some legalities today, but I was just turned on to this DOL bulletin. Posting for others to have SA.
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Subject: Coverage for Injuries Resulting from the COVID-19 Vaccination Mandate for Federal Employees.
Background: On September 9, 2021, President Biden issued an executive order mandating COVID-19 vaccination for most Federal employees. The order directed each agency to implement a program to require COVID-19 vaccination for all of its employees, with exceptions only as required by law.
The Federal Employees' Compensation Act (FECA) covers injuries that occur in the performance of duty. The FECA does not generally authorize provision of preventive measures such as vaccines and inoculations, and in general, preventive treatment is a responsibility of the employing agency under the provisions of 5 U.S.C. 7901. However, care can be authorized by OWCP for complications of preventive measures which are provided or sponsored by the agency, such as adverse reaction to prophylactic immunization. See PM 3-0400.7(a).
Further, deleterious effects of medical services furnished by the employing establishment are generally considered to fall within the performance of duty. These services include preventive programs relating to health. See PM 2-0804.19.
However, this executive order now makes COVID-19 vaccination a requirement of most Federal employment. As such, employees impacted by this mandate who receive required COVID-19 vaccinations on or after the date of the executive order may be afforded coverage under the FECA for any adverse reactions to the vaccine itself, and for any injuries sustained while obtaining the vaccination.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:34 am to loogaroo
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This is about to blow up in the administration's face
Really? Please tell me how, because I am melting.
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