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re: Federal judge blocks Louisiana law that requires classrooms to display Ten Commandments
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:10 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:10 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:I disagree that giving preference to one religion over others is a violation of the 1st amendment according to the founders, who did not give equal treatment to all religions.
So the whitehouse can have a Christmas tree, and a Menora, and a Kwanzaa cake or whatever. That’s fine. That’s treating them all equal and not establishing any of them or giving any unequal precedence.
quote:Based on prior interpretative precedent, sure, all judges will likely see the 10 commandment issue as a violation of the 1st amendment. I'm not arguing for what modern judges think. I'm arguing about the context of the writing of the 1st amendment and the actions taken by the founders, themselves.
It becomes establishing a religion - a violation of the first amendment - by passing a law to post religious rules of one religion in all classrooms. All the judges recognize that.
quote:I'm trying to be civil with you. Why are you attacking me personally?
You don’t. Because you are retarded.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 12:24 pm
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:12 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
This should make way to remove the Pride flags and other things as well. Sounds like 4D chess to me.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:29 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
It’s a slippery slope…. Once the other side is back in power and all.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:48 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I'm arguing about the context of the writing of the 1st amendment and the actions taken by the founders, themselves.
Let’s see what Thomas Jefferson wrote:
quote:
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State
Each had their own religions. Jefferson was a Unitarian Christian. I guess that’s sort of like a Jehovah’s Witness.
quote:
I'm trying to be civil with you. Why are you calling attacking me personally?
I don’t like you. You are a straight up liar, always claiming you’ve proven your points to me and that I move on, when in reality you prove nothing with your baseless assertions and fallacies and it has always been you who have failed to answer my questions. You’re like Bill Clinton arguing about what the word “is” means. You would argue getting a BJ and sticking a cigar up an intern’s front hole is not sexual relations. And you end most of your posts with “repent” which for me is meaningless because I don’t believe there is any higher power which exists that would even accept repentance.
I’ll be willing to be civil with you if you were willing to be civil with me including one very minor thing. I’d like you to admit that a person who has heard the gospel and studied the Bible could legitimately not believe the material to be true. Rather than calling me a liar, citing Romans 1:18-20, could you acknowledge that I don’t “reject” your god but that I legitimately don’t believe he exists. I doubt you can do that, but hey, if you can, then maybe we can be civil to each other.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:00 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Context for that letter was that a minority sect of Christians felt persecuted by their state because the state had established an official religion. Jefferson was actually talking about his belief that the national/federal government and state governments function differently on the matter of religion, and that the federal government could not establish a national religion (like Presbyterianism or Catholicism). It was a personal letter written to give some comfort to the religious minority constituents.
Let’s see what Thomas Jefferson wrote:
quote:
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State
Give this link a read:
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quote:I absolutely hate your rejection of your creator and the constant stream of blasphemies that you produce, and yet I still hope you turn from your sin and embrace Jesus Christ for your salvation. In spite of your mockery and personal attacks against me, I want nothing but what is best for you. It's a shame that you in your atheism can't respond in-kind.
I don’t like you.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:06 pm to FooManChoo
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I absolutely hate your rejection of your creator and the constant stream of blasphemies that you produce, and yet I still hope you turn from your sin and embrace Jesus Christ for your salvation
I knew you couldn’t do it.
I can’t say I didn’t try. By your response you invite me to continue to mock you. So be it. I extended an olive branch and you burned it.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:22 pm to TackySweater
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 8:23 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 5:00 pm to BestBanker
It’s just wild that there’s someone out there that actually thinks, “well the government can say an exit sign should be placed on a door therefore they should be able to say the Ten Commandments should be placed in a school.”
Some people just do not have a working mental capacity, and that’s ok, but it’s also really scary.
Some people just do not have a working mental capacity, and that’s ok, but it’s also really scary.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 6:58 pm to TackySweater
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:20 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
The whole plan is to get this to the Supreme Court where the Governor hopes the more conservative court will set a new precedent.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:48 pm to BestBanker
Yea but not at all the same that you make them out to be lol
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:51 pm to TackySweater
quote:
they should be able to say the Ten Commandments should be placed in a school
I want to know which commandments.
The first set? The one that ends with not covering your neighbors arse and slaves?
Or the second set from Exodus 34? The one that ends with thou shalt not boil a baby goat it its mother’s milk.
I’ve got to say that I really like the second set of the goat boiling and keeping the feast of unleavened bread and all that, but I like the first set the most.
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3“You shall have no other gods before me. 4“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
It’s my favorite because everyone knows it well and it’s easy to point out to them that
1. The Bible writers believed there to be (many) other gods.
2. It explicits says not to bow down to them (I guess FooLaneCraig could argue one could bow down to a fake god) but it also says not to serve them. You can’t serve a fake god. They believed those other gods were real and could be served.
3. Yahweh is a jealous narcissistic psychopath.
4. The great “just” Yahweh punishes people for the sins of others. Especially punishing sons for the sins of the fathers. Down to the 4th generation. (FooLaneCraig will argue it doesn’t say what it says, because elsewhere contradictory statements state Yahweh doesn’t punish others for the sins of others that each is responsible for their own sins, and he can pick any contradiction he wants and accept one while discarding the other side sticking his head in the sand like an ostrich in a looney tunes cartoon).
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Some people just do not have a working mental capacity, and that’s ok, but it’s also really scary
I agree with you, but I’ll say the ones that are scariest to me actually have a brain but the left brain doesn’t work correctly with the right brain (their emotions override their logic). Their delusions are most often brought about by decades of indoctrination by their parents and clergy.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:59 pm to BestBanker
quote:
Eh. They're just words.
Safety.
Exit.
Honor.
Wet paint.
Don't kill.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:12 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Don’t they have these in courtrooms? Idk why I think that they do .. I’ve never been in one.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:20 pm to broadhead
quote:no, those aren’t religions.
This should make way to remove the Pride flags and other things as well. Sounds like 4D chess to me.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:21 pm to stout
quote:
Seperation of church and state and all of that jazz.
there is no such clause in the constitution. the first amendment says "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...," but it doesn't say anything about a state legislature making such laws. The law was written not to restrict religion, but for the states to be able to promote it in whatever way they sought fit.
I would love for this to go to the SC for review...
just to see the liberal dissent/melts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:34 pm to Squirrelmeister
I don’t believe in any of this bullshite at all.
But that past above is just stupid lol.
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The Bible writers believed there to be (many) other gods.
But that past above is just stupid lol.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:36 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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It's this logic that led America's schools to go to s***.
How so?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:40 pm to TackySweater
quote:
I don’t believe in any of this bullshite at all.
quote:
But that past above is just stupid lol.
It wasn’t really intended for you. But you know what, why don’t you eat shite, bitch. Lol
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:51 pm to stout
quote:
Seperation of church and state
Where is that enumerated in the Constitution?
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