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re: Fed cuts by a quarter point, indicates fewer reductions ahead

Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by BCreed1
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:39 pm to
This is 100%


Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:44 pm to
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1. Consumer debt/CCs
2. Residential RE
3. Commercial RE
4. Auto loans



Residential RE triggered the 2008 Financial Crisis. Normal bank mortgage charge off rates are around 0.5%. In the subprime sector I believe the charge off rates reached 8% which collapse the mortgage back securities market and their derivatives.

So you're saying a little bit of all these sectors will coalesce into one and cause a market crash?
Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
2244 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:33 pm to
The market went crazy. At 2 pm it was in plus territory and after the announcement… it dropped over 1100 points. Prolly some good bargains tomorrow.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted by mikesliveisacheater
Member since Nov 2009
1468 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:42 pm to
Or the chance to catch a falling knife.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55672 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:51 pm to
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They are trying to get the economy to hold on just enough to pass the grenade to trump. My suspicion is that they won’t try another Covid. This time it will be catastrophic economic collapse. And they will blame it on trumps tariffs, even though this has been brewing since Bush.


The American people are going to be very fortunate if inflation doesn't pick back up in the next couple of quarters as employment also plummets....real stagflation. Let's hope Team Trump has the economic gurus with the plan to avoid the nearly unavoidable financial and economic shite show that's likely coming.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3443 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:18 pm to
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Reckless. Rates should be a lot higher right now. Probably around 10-12%. Still too much money supply


This!!! And NO ONE talks about it at all. It’s very frustrating going on a decade now. First they print 14% of our gdp to bail out banks in 2009, then they print 15% of gdp for covid. They should raise it high and rip the bandaid off but no they’ll drag it out because the federal reserve is insolvent. Yep that’s right they’re almost a trillion down. And we can’t do a thing about it
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:39 pm to
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So you're saying a little bit of all these sectors will coalesce into one and cause a market crash?


I'm not going to speak for SFP, but what I see is that GDP growth has relied more and more on growing consumer debt since 2022, putting us at the point where the last year-ish has had GDP grow being almost solely dependent on increasing consumer debt.

That debt has very high servicing cost, which isn't going to come down to any sort of manageable levels for the foreseeable future (outside of some sort of legislation).

As inflation outpaces wages and jobs continue to be shed, more and more of that consumer debt goes from delinquency to default. As more of this happens, the credit companies will try to come up with gimmicks and clever accounting to avoid it. Some might work, some won't.

As more of those consumers move into default, they lose an increasing amount of credit access. As more lose credit access, GDP slows. As GDP slows, more jobs are shed, creating a downward spiral until the economy resets. Considering the large debt load, that may well create enough turmoil to cause a deflationary period.

And that's where the bigger issue would come into play. The federal government's idea for resolving a recession is to throw money at it. By cutting rates too much and too early (before inflation was clearly under control), the money-throwing has started too early, so if they really get serious enough for successive cuts, it would likely create a stagflation environment.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3443 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 7:29 am to
Yup that’s pretty much how I see it. Gonna be painful too
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