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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Where in the U.S., except for some extremely remote mountain or desert areas, is there no competition for internet service?
Not if said customers have no other viable option for internet.
quote:I don't know where you live but I'm issuing a Level 1 Bull shite Alert on your statement.
I have no where else to go bc the other provider can't offer more than 5meg down where I live.
AT&T, Verizon and Sprint already overlap almost the entire continental U.S. with their cellular internet access. I can access the internet on my iPad via a link to my iPhone anywhere in the U.S. that I've traveled using AT&T cellular service although I use Cox in my home.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I love that the rest of your post after this sentence indicates that this sentence applies to you.
For fricks sake you don't know what you are talking about.
So hey. Let's have fun.
quote:Hmm.......interesting. So. Quick question. Would the current nodes be slowed if the hogs existed in their state from 2010? Your answer to that question will be interesting.
Data hogs don't slow you internet down its having cable not fiber and too many houses using the same nodes. When too many users are on the same node, no one can hog data.
quote:Wait. What the frick is this?
ISPs raise cost but move at snails pace to improve infrastructure . They only improve infrastructure when competition moves in, ie Google Fiber.
You meant there are competitors moving in?
The frick you say
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Yep. Not only that... but those data hogs are actually charging consumers money and earning a profit (well, some of them ) off of the free delivery of those services that cost the ISP money to support.
One person using more data does not make anyone else's internet slow. For fricks sake you people are clueless. When a node gets oversaturated no one can hog data. With fiber you bandwidth doesn't slow down when another user is using more data.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to Breesus
quote:
Is there a reason you refuse to make a concrete point or any attempt to explain any of the ideas you put forward?
I've given explanations
You don't understand them.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:55 am to StraightCashHomey21
Fearing the non existent. Great idea.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:55 am to Halftrack
This is already legal. How many ISPs are doing it?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:56 am to LSURussian
quote:
Where in the U.S., except for some extremely remote mountain or desert areas, is there no competition for internet service?
in some major cities some people still have limited options
quote:
I don't know where you live but I'm issuing a Level 1 Bull shite Alert on your statement.
I live in SW Oklahoma. The only ISP in the area that provides internet over 5 meg is cable one/
quote:
AT&T, Verizon and Sprint already overlap almost the entire continental U.S. with their cellular internet access. I can access the internet on my iPad via a link to my iPhone anywhere in the U.S. that I've traveled using AT&T cellular service although I use Cox in my home.
Cell towers isn't the same as running fiber pipes.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:56 am to Halftrack
Well the open internet was good while it lasted. The ISPs will soon have our balls in a vice.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:57 am to Breesus
quote:So. For clarity.
15 years.
You are now arguing to me that the market for internet services and for television content is roughly similar in 2017 to what it was in 2002?
I mean.......yeah. Just damn.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:58 am to ShortyRob
quote:I just don't understand why so many people on this board are so hysterical over something that's so common sense.
ShortyRob
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:59 am to OMLandshark
quote:
Because if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. It’s as simple as that.
It is broken...data caps in and of themselves are proof of that.
I realize getting rid of NN won't change them but like I said in another thread we are fighting the wrong battle here which is exactly what the FCC and the providers want us to keep doing.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
I live in SW Oklahoma
We can't be seriously having this discussion.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Would the current nodes be slowed if the hogs existed in their state from 2010? Your answer to that question will be interesting.
Data hogs are a myth for fricks sake. No one can hog data when your nodes is oversaturated.
quote:
Wait. What the frick is this? You meant there are competitors moving in? The frick you say
In some areas competition was able to move in. Google fiber is the prime example but now they are being stonewalled bc they are fricking with other ISPs money. They offer a better product at a cheaper price.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:00 am to LSURussian
quote:
I just don't understand why so many people on this board are so hysterical over something that's so common sense.
Because the major content providers have spent their money well.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:01 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Simple question. Why wouldn’t those single service areas charge $10,000/mo. for basic service?
Well, they still have to attract new customers. Internet is not quite a utility like power and water for every American. However, the uncompetitive marketplaces with 1 or 2 providers have poor customer service and high prices. The barriers to enter are very high so it's not realistic to expect more competition.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Google fiber is the prime example but now they are being stonewalled bc they are fricking with other ISPs money. They offer a better product at a cheaper price.
Then address this issue directly. Net neutrality will not solve this problem.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:01 am to LSURussian
quote:
I just don't understand why so many people on this board are so hysterical over something that's so common sense.
Look at my Grocery store example.
The problem they have is that since they can't "see" the physical space occupied, they can't conceptualize it in terms of any other market.
Hell. The person with the pipe example actually made OUR point......but was too obtuse to recognize it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:01 am to ShortyRob
quote:
We can't be seriously having this discussion.
Yea it sucks
But I grew up outside DC which is one of the tech hubs of the US. It took years for Verizon to get the green light to lay fiber down for Fios b/c their competition was fighting it. Despite one of the Verizon HQs in my home town.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:02 am to Centinel
quote:
Then address this issue directly. Net neutrality will not solve this problem.
Well the two are tied together.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:02 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Does is matter to you how high speed internet access is available to you as long as it's available at a competitive cost?
Cell towers isn't the same as running fiber pipes.
I don't care if the internet access comes to me through unicorn farts as long as I can get to the internet.
quote:"Limited options" is not the same as "only 1 option" as you claimed you have.
in some major cities some people still have limited options
But, I'll play along: name two major cities with "limited internet options."
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