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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
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No bc its not hogging data when a node is oversaturated no one can "hog" data.
Now you're just ducking.
You flat out said that the providers haven't kept pace with the content.
You can use whatever fricking term you want for that. You made our point.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:21 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Imagine of fedex had to deliver packages for free on demand. Just show up and say “package neutrality” and they have to deliver it. No matter how many packages you bring to the 1 package, 1,000 packages. Still free.
In this sense, the internet is like a delivery service. With net neutrality, everything that is sent is treated the same
But the persons demanding delivery of the packages by fedex is charging the recepient $10/package.
Does this sound like a “fair” deal for Fedex to you?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:21 am to Taxing Authority
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So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!! And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?
Most of these folks wanting net neutrality have no knowledge of network topology, they think the network that supports the internet is without capacity limits. Lol!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
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when a node is oversaturated no one can "hog" data.
Uh ya...the user who's causing the node to be over-saturated.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
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I really almost spit up my lungs when the dumb arse typed that 4K response.
So you think bc someone streams Netflix in 4K they are taking bandwidth from others?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:23 am to ShortyRob
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Other than the fact we apparently have a VASTLY greater understanding of economics and markets, yeah.
Oh yeah, you've certainly shown it.
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Hmm. To which delivery service are you speaking? Cause, me thinks you're referring to some unicorn service out there.
I'm literally referring to how data is treated now. There isn't any discrimination on the data. Not an actual delivery service. The analogy was to make a point, which you seem to have missed.
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You mean like in every delivery service known to man?
Again, you are taking the delivery analogy a little too far. The reality is that there is no reason for ISPs to treat data any differently but without NN they will. There is literally no cost reason why traffic to Google or Netflix should be throttled or those companies should be made to pay more in favor of a site like Hulu, which Comcast (and others own).
I do enjoy how you avoided any substantive points in my post. It really shows a deep understanding.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:23 am to Centinel
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Uh ya...the user who's causing the node to be over-saturated.
that's not how it fricking works
no one is stealing bandwidth from others
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:24 am to Taxing Authority
quote:Hell. We'll be kind.
Imagine of fedex had to deliver packages for free on demand.
Let's just imagine that they had to charge EVERYONE the same thing. Regardless of what was being delivered.
It's great.
TWO different morons have come in here. One with a pipe example. One with a delivery service example.
BOTH make OUR point!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
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So you think bc someone streams Netflix in 4K they are taking bandwidth from others?
Do you think a network is built out assuming all users are using their max bandwidth at all times?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:25 am to Taxing Authority
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Imagine of fedex had to deliver packages for free on demand.
We are paying for the packages to be delivered. But again, there is no reason for ISPs to treat packages differently, because all the packages are the same. That is the problem. The charges associated with a post-NN world will be arbitrary, and not related to the costs incurred by the ISP to deliver them.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:25 am to StraightCashHomey21
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So you think bc someone streams Netflix in 4K they are taking bandwidth from others?
Dude. You're floundering here.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:26 am to Bass Tiger
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Most of these folks wanting net neutrality have no knowledge of network topology, they think the network that supports the internet is without capacity limits. Lol!
You also have people arguing saying data hogs are a real thing.
ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide, esp compared to how much they charge for it. They oversell their bandwidth and let their infrastructure get bogged down.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
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So you think bc someone streams Netflix in 4K they are taking bandwidth from others?
You're in this thread literally arguing that BOTH of the following are true.
1. Internet providers have failed to upgrade fast enough to deal with modern internet needs and therefore, get bogged down.
2. Nothing about the actual traffic causes the bogging.
Except, you used ACTUAL EXAMPLES of traffic causing the bogging.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:28 am to ShortyRob
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Let's just imagine that they had to charge EVERYONE the same thing. Regardless of what was being delivered.
Again, please tell me how the internet deals with packages? What methods can it use to discriminate? It can be done by bandwidth, but it can also be done by IP and by protocol.
The ISPs do not have to pay extra to deliver packages to websites. There are minimal costs incurred to them on that end. They see it as an opportunity to drop arbitrary charges (told to me by an ATT employee).
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:29 am to Centinel
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Do you think a network is built out assuming all users are using their max bandwidth at all times?
No but people are charged by the total data used. If the network can't support the max amount of bandwidth then they should improve their service. This won't happen because of the limited competition in areas (which needs to change).
However, that has nothing to do with NN. Think of data like the water you use. You should be charged for the amount you use and not it's usage.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:29 am to Centinel
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Do you think a network is built out assuming all users are using their max bandwidth at all times?
ISPs oversell their bandwidth.
A fiber network you don't run into these problems or people with this false notion others are using all their bandwidth. Unless the pipe going into the area sucks. Which you would see more in a business setting than a residential one.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:29 am to StraightCashHomey21
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They oversell their bandwidth and let their infrastructure get bogged down.
Ya, this tells me you don't understand how networks are built out.
Your corporate LAN "oversells" it's bandwidth, because building out the infrastructure to support all ports running at full GigE at all times would be ludicrous.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:29 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:You are desperately trying to cling to some technical aspect while ignoring that YOU YOURSELF have admitted our point.
You also have people arguing saying data hogs are a real thing.
It's pathetic at this point.
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ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide, esp compared to how much they charge for it. They oversell their bandwidth and let their infrastructure get bogged down.
I mean. Damn. I just..........well, it's like you type it but don't understand it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:31 am to ShortyRob
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I mean. Damn. I just..........well, it's like you type it but don't understand it.
Well to be fair he means next to nothing after they have laid out billions running the connections.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:34 am to DarthRebel
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So the free market will win, good deal.
Internet is not right, it is a privilege.
Keeping poor people off the Internet may be a good thing.
No, you idiot. It's like toll roads on an already existing road instead. Already existing road that some companies are allowed to move in take over and charge you to drive on. It's more like that. But you and all your dumb arse Republican friends that read whatever indoctrinated b******* that you read will just keep signing up and going "sounds like a great idea" while you and everyone else you know will get fisted in the arse.
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