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re: FCC may still bring the hammer to NBC, Bad Bunny, & NFL.

Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:24 am to
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:24 am to
OH NO, more letters.

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476726 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:24 am to
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Promoting a song on public airwaves with that language whether song at that moment or not, is unacceptable


You use that example to distinguish him from what kid Rock performed at his show. You need to pick what you're talking about. Are we talking about their entire catalog or what they actually said during their respective performances in the super bowl halftime?

Doesn't matter to me. You pick.

Either we pick their whole catalogs in which you support your family listening to all the pathology in Kid Rock's catalog, or we choose what was in the specific performance, which basically eliminates the perceived immorality of Bad Bunny. You pick. I don't care. It does not affect my argument either way.

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As far as the straw man, you are the one that built that framework. When called out on it, you just claim straw man to wiggle out

No.

You're just explaining that you are not good at rhetoric, and it's a common pattern on here that people are not good in rhetoric devolve to straw men. Just look above at another example of you not engaging in honest rhetoric.

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If someone fundamentally agrees with the direction the pubic moral standards are heading, how do they engage that without being deemed a snowflake?

Well, the first step is that you can't be a hypocrite about it and you have to engage in the subject. Honestly. We have to achieve both of those things before we can get to the answer to this question
This post was edited on 2/11/26 at 8:25 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138902 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:27 am to
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after the Who's shitty performance
You keep going there. I don't get it. It's doltish. The Who drew a larger audience than any act preceding them. The same is not true of BB. Your Who prattling is every bit as dumb as anything associated with the Bad Bunny critics.

As far as Bad Bunny is concerned, my sole issue was with the risk of him going off on some anti-American TDS rant. He didn't do that. Good for him.

I understand the lyrics to his songs are particularly nasty, but it's also my understanding he self-censored some of that. If the FCC finds he broke rules, they should take appropriate action. No more, no less that they would in any other instance.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23018 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:28 am to
Randy Fine is an idiot. The halftime show was self-censored, and some of the lyrics that have been floating around are from 1. A verse that isn't by Bad Bunny and 2. Wasn't even performed.

But let's entertain this for a little bit:
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Promoting a song on public airwaves with that language whether song at that moment or not, is unacceptable



These are Kid Rock lyrics:
quote:

Watch me kick
You can roll with rock
Or you can suck my dick
I'm a porno flick
I'm like amazing grace
I'm gonna frick some hoes
After I rock this place


Why was a vulgar, disgusting man allowed to perform at a wholesome American halftime show with lyrics like that? If logic holds, he should be nowhere near the stage, right?
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:28 am to
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Crying over a damn halftime show
Do away with the FCC or allow them to enforce the rules? Are breaking rules and singing the filth in Spanish OK since no one understood the lyrics?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476726 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:30 am to
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The Who drew a larger audience than any act preceding them. The same is not true of BB

What?

That's a silly standard. Dishonest framing

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Your Who prattling is every bit as dumb as anything associated with the Bad Bunny critics.

Then why did the NFL stop choosing those acts immediately after to never return? If it was so successful you would think that they would follow that path, but they have never gone back

Also, I told you before the show that it was going to end up being wholesome and rather milquetoast, which it was.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71111 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:30 am to
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you guys claim didn’t know existed


You're one of the ones that think millions of people just decided to lie for reasons?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476726 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:32 am to
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Why was a vulgar, disgusting man allowed to perform at a wholesome American halftime show with lyrics like that? If logic holds, he should be nowhere near the stage, right?


You see what we're going to do is be logically consistent and fair, and say that we are judging Bad. Bonnie by his entire lyrical catalog and ignore what he actually said on air, and for Kid Rock, we're going to only analyze what he actually said on air and ignore his entire catalog. Intellectually honest and consistent
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71995 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:36 am to
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You use that example to distinguish him from what kid Rock performed at his show. You need to pick what you're talking about. Are we talking about their entire catalog or what they actually said during their respective performances in the super bowl halftime?

Doesn't matter to me. You pick.

Either we pick their whole catalogs in which you support your family listening to all the pathology in Kid Rock's catalog, or we choose what was in the specific performance, which basically eliminates the perceived immorality of Bad Bunny. You pick. I don't care. It does not affect my argument either way.



Nonsensical. I made a choice. I said the songs that were performed. You are claiming that Bad Bunny promoting a specifically grotesque song, is the same as Kid Rock performing any song, because he has grotesque songs in the same or other albums. That is not the same thing.

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No.

You're just explaining that you are not good at rhetoric, and it's a common pattern on here that people are not good in rhetoric devolve to straw men. Just look above at another example of you not engaging in honest rhetoric


You are right that one of us is being dishonest

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quote:

If someone fundamentally agrees with the direction the pubic moral standards are heading, how do they engage that without being deemed a snowflake?


Well, the first step is that you can't be a hypocrite about it and you have to engage in the subject. Honestly. We have to achieve both of those things before we can get to the answer to this question


So you dodge the question. Comparing Kid Rock to Bad Bunny has nothing to do with my question. That is the discussion we are having above. I'm not being a hypocrite you are twisting the argument to accuse me of being a hypocrite.

So I ask again, if someone fundamentally agrees with the direction the pubic moral standards are heading, how do they engage that without being deemed a snowflake?
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157829 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:36 am to
MIGA Fine release a translation?

If the “artist” violated a law then prosecute.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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138902 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:38 am to
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That's a silly standard. Dishonest framing

Viewership is the standard.

You'd prefer to frame the argument in terms of your musical taste. I get that. Pete Townshend touched you in a bad spot. I get it. But yours is the same pretense you're criticizing others for holding about Bad Bunny. It's ridiculous.

Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71995 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:39 am to
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But let's entertain this for a little bit:
quote:
Promoting a song on public airwaves with that language whether song at that moment or not, is unacceptable


These are Kid Rock lyrics:
quote:
Watch me kick
You can roll with rock
Or you can suck my dick
I'm a porno flick
I'm like amazing grace
I'm gonna frick some hoes
After I rock this place


Why was a vulgar, disgusting man allowed to perform at a wholesome American halftime show with lyrics like that? If logic holds, he should be nowhere near the stage, right?


I am talking about a song that Bad Bunny performed. You are talking about a song Kid Rock did not perform.

You are being dishonest.
This post was edited on 2/11/26 at 8:40 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138902 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:42 am to
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You see what we're going to do is be logically consistent and fair, and say that we are judging Bad.
You have SB lyrics to compare?
Catalogues are irrelevant if they aren't presented on FCC covered networks.

What was said during the Halftime Show?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476726 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:43 am to
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Nonsensical.

Not at all. You're trying to use 2 different standards to not be a hypocrite.

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I made a choice.

We are evaluating that choice

quote:

You are claiming that Bad Bunny promoting a specifically grotesque song, i

I have not.

You seem to be, but you keep moving the goalposts

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is the same as Kid Rock performing any song, because he has grotesque songs in the same or other albums. That is not the same thing.

You see you get the dishonest framing, but you either are applying 2 different standards or are being dishonest with what BB actually performed.

It's not clear b/c you keep pivoting and moving the goalposts

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Comparing Kid Rock to Bad Bunny has nothing to do with my question.

It matters a great deal, especially with your framing around morality.
Posted by Patato Salad
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
1202 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:43 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476726 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:44 am to
quote:

Viewership is the standard.

And BB had more than the Who by a wide margin

quote:

You'd prefer to frame the argument in terms of your musical taste

I will pick the Who over Bad Bunny 100/100 times, so no.

quote:

Pete Townshend touched you in a bad spot

I like the Who
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68823 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:44 am to
Someone is trolling you with bogus translations… Tne halftime show’s lyrics were suitable gor general audiences.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
17546 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:46 am to
The letter is a mixed bag. Definitely takes some liberties with the references to Safaera given how very little of it was actually performed but Randy has some points about references in NuevaYol. There was very weak attempt to kind of slur through the drug references but it was still largely discernible. Best defense for BB is the lyrics actually say to stay away from the drugs but still warrants a reprimand methinks.

ETA: I didn't go through the entire set. Reggaeton is not my thing so there's only so much I can stand but I specifically went for the songs Fine referenced.
This post was edited on 2/11/26 at 8:50 am
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:49 am to
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I like the Who
I saw the Who in 1967 as an opening act for the Herman's Hermits at the Jackson Coliseum when no one knew who they were.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71111 posts
Posted on 2/11/26 at 8:49 am to
You think naked gays parading the streets and twerking in front of kids is suitable for a general audience.

I have no clue what he said and couldn't care less, but you making a definitive statement about anything is hilariously irrelevant.
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