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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:we've been over this. You don't know what the word competition means.
The two are not competition
Cell data after 15-20GB gets degraded big time.
I posted a thread on this subject. You ignored it. I can't force you to learn economics man
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:03 pm to Centinel
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Did those events get resolved with market forces and existing regulatory control?
Yes or no.
Across the board?
No.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:03 pm to culsutiger
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culsutiger
Hi little alter. I see you're back.
Why are you afraid to post under your actual username?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:03 pm to LSURussian
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The avg house burns through 15-20 GB in no time. Like 4-10 hours.
Link?
My house burns through about 400GB of data a month.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:03 pm to Volvagia
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Across the board?
No.
Which one didn't get resolved?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:03 pm to CorporateTiger
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I mean, I’m sure the economics textbooks from the 1700’s told them that, but Standard Oil and friends should have disabused them of that notion.
LOL
There it is. The sum total of the liberal understanding of monopolies. As expressed not from there study of economics but from their freshman level history class.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:04 pm to Centinel
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You have multiple lines running to your house?
My choice of electric service from the grid is MUCH MUCH better than y choice of ISPs. The lines are owned and operated similarly, but you won’t acknowledge that. Will you?
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i ask pointed questions, you ignore them, then go off on some pointless tangent because you know I have you backed in to a corner.
Bruh watching you try rationalize about “grid power” being different than power was more painful than watching Toddy try to explain economics.
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That's what happens when you don't actually understand the subject and parrot talking points from others who don't understand the subject.
If you really want to get into a discussion of the regulation of natural monopolies, we can do that. What’s your background on regulation of oil & gas pipelines at FERC? Power there also?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:05 pm to ShortyRob
The exaggerated fears here seem to be driving the issue.
I fear the internet being regulated as a utility faaaar more than I do losing so called net neutrality.
I fear the internet being regulated as a utility faaaar more than I do losing so called net neutrality.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:05 pm to ShortyRob
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we've been over this. You don't know what the word competition means. I posted a thread on this subject. You ignored it. I can't force you to learn economics man
Any inferior service with limitations is not competition for a fixed solution.
No one moves into their new home and says let me make sure the LTE service can handle my family needs to stream, game, smart home and maybe run a server.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The NN law is trying to be repealed. Guess what though, the same results can be achieved without Title 2 re-classification. That isn't a deflection, that is just a fact.
While I can get behind this, there is no push at ALL for it from the people who are removing Title 2 classification.
They blantantly are saying that the past provisions, which some ISPs have already won cases based on technicalities that they do not apply, are all we need.
Even though they don't apply anymore as far as NN goes.
Wut?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:06 pm to ShortyRob
1) Not a liberal.
2) You didn’t make a point as to why Standard Oil conspiring with other refiners to restrain the free market of oil doesn’t show the limitations of the classic definition of monopoly.
2) You didn’t make a point as to why Standard Oil conspiring with other refiners to restrain the free market of oil doesn’t show the limitations of the classic definition of monopoly.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I fear the internet being regulated as a utility faaaar more than I do losing so called net neutrality
Yep. But these people seem to exist in a vacuum completely insulated from all other economic experience
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:07 pm to CorporateTiger
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He and Centinel steadfastly pretending that the classic definition of a monopoly is the end-all-be-all of restraining the free markets is hilarious.
I mean, I’m sure the economics textbooks from the 1700’s told them that, but Standard Oil and friends should have disabused them of that notion
They just flat out are winging it as they go it seems.
Centinel tried for hours on end to claim they aren’t natural monopolies or defacto monopolies in many regions because you can get 100 dollar 90 gig a month capped satellite plans to many homes. Or niche ISP’s that often piggyback off the bigger boys at higher rates to fit niches in markets.
Which is the equivalent of saying entergy isn’t a natural monopoly or regional monopoly because you can install solar panels or use heating oil for your home. So therefore regulations that state entergy can’t discriminate usage for opportunistic reasons are unnecessary since there are alternatives.
It’s bankrupt logic that shows both an ignorance of basic economic terms and processes, and falls apart under even the mildest of scrutiny.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:07 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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My house burns through about 400GB of data a month.
We cut the cord
Easily avg around a TB.
We don't do anything extreme.
Since I have a data cap I cant run my own server like I used too when living in England.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:07 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:you see? I told you you didn't know what the meaning of the word competition was. Thank you for detailing your lack of knowledge for us
Any inferior service with limitations is not competition for a fixed solution
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:07 pm to Centinel
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Which one didn't get resolved?
It might be easier for you to tell me which one was.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:08 pm to CorporateTiger
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My choice of electric service from the grid is MUCH MUCH better than y choice of ISPs. The lines are owned and operated similarly, but you won’t acknowledge that. Will you?
You didn't answer my question. Is there more than one utility that operates transmission lines to your house?
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Bruh watching you try rationalize about “grid power” being different than power was more painful than watching Toddy try to explain economics.
It's not the power, it's the access to the specific type of generated power.
it's not the packets, it's the access to the packets from all over the globe.
Listen, you obviously can't comprehend what I'm saying. Just admit it. It's ok.
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If you really want to get into a discussion of the regulation of natural monopolies,
Why? ISPs aren't natural monopolies.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:08 pm to culsutiger
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Your alternative doesn't actually exist. It's not the law. That's the entire point. How hard is it for you to get that through your skull?
Jesus christ you are an idiot. I never once said it was the law. If it were the law, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I asked why it was good to re-classify broadband as a utility. You replied with it was necessary for the FCC to be able to regulate. The alternative I provided was a proposal that proved that re-classification was not needed to grant the FCC authority to regulate, making re-classification completely unnecessary and thus that part of the current NN law unnecessary.
How hard is it for you to get that through your skull?
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