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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
Wired connections to the internet aren’t going away any time soon. There is a big market for high speed data uplinks that can’t be handled over wireless internet. Additionally the service reliability provided by end-to-end wired service is critical for certain users.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293229 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
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The reality is that title 2 is necessary for net neutrality under the current law.


Change the law.

You have absolutely no qualms about regulating as a utility? Title II is like killing ants with a shotgun

Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52878 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
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Technology is already here, Flinstone



The basic technology is there.


Physics, not so much.


The main things holding it back are latency, and bandwith limitation/congestion in urban areas.

There is simply no way to cram that much data in the airwaves in high density populations.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:25 pm to
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Is a Kia competition for a BMW? How about a motorcycle? How about a moped?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:25 pm to
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We cut the cord

Easily avg around a TB.

We don't do anything extreme.

Since I have a data cap I cant run my own server like I used too when living in England.


MY ISP is also my cable TV provider. (Cox by the way whom I love and would never willingly give up they are wonderful around here) anyway, we have a 1TB cap limit, but we've gone over it a few times when the older boys were home and were doing their online gaming , or what have you and we didn't even receive so much as an email. Nothing was said.

Our package is 250 HD channels and 300 MbPs internet speeds which is normally $190 a month , but I have a friend who is a Cox installer and I get a friends and family discount through him which cuts it to half of that.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293229 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:25 pm to
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Physics, not so much.


Google is already moving in that direction.

It is the future
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:26 pm to
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No. I cannot buy a service that is the equivalent of my local ISP.


You have no other way to access the internet except your landline ISP?

Your premise is that unless the competitor has the exact same level of service, they're not a competitor.

Your premise is wrong. Period.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:26 pm to
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Ya, but what does that have to do with issues with 5G?


That completely depends on if you are using the cell data then distributing it over a personnel network.

Do you think ISPs are going to set 256 bit encryption? Hell public hot spots most the time don't.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39453 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:26 pm to
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The reality is that title 2 is necessary for net neutrality under the current law.



No. Just no. Title 2 is not necessary regardless. The current law just used title 2 as their method of regulation. I'm starting to think you just don't understand what the word necessary means.

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Your fantasy is new law that allows net neutrality without title 2 classification.

You seem to have difficulty distinguishing reality from fantasy. What's life like as a schizophrenic?





Yea, operating in that fantasy world of actual congressional proposals. You just lack the ability to see a solution to anything outside of what the current law says. It is really quote side. If you would step back for a moment and realize that there are better ways at achieving the same goal, then you might realize that the steps of repealing a poorly written law and replacing it with a better one isn't fantasy. It is actually how the government should work.

Can anyone confirm, is this a BamaATL alter? Seems similar in the inability to understand anything outside the "law of the land"
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52878 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
Why?




You'll shift the goalposts then too. I have better things to do than argue facts with someone who insists that ISPs don't hold a monopoly of high quality internet options.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
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Your premise is that unless the competitor has the exact same level of service, they're not a competitor.

Your premise is wrong. Period

You noticed they've completely ducked answering the question I posed regarding Kia vs BMW
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
NN was put in place at just the right time.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

don't hold a monopoly of high quality internet options.


What in the actual frick is that shite
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:28 pm to
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That completely depends on if you are using the cell data then distributing it over a personnel network.

Do you think ISPs are going to set 256 bit encryption? Hell public hot spots most the time don't.



I get all that. What I'm asking is that you mentioned that there were issues with encryption for 5G. You make it sound like there's a technological issue.

If you're just talking users, then it doesn't matter if it's wired or wireless. People suck at security. Trust me on that one.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:29 pm to
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MY ISP is also my cable TV provider. (Cox by the way whom I love and would never willingly give up they are wonderful around here) anyway, we have a 1TB cap limit, but we've gone over it a few times when the older boys were home and were doing their online gaming , or what have you and we didn't even receive so much as an email. Nothing was said. Our package is 250 HD channels and 300 MbPs internet speeds which is normally $190 a month , but I have a friend who is a Cox installer and I get a friends and family discount through him which cuts it to half of that.


If cut the cord and kept up our viewing habits you would probably double that 400GB you use with ease. You kids online gaming actually doesn't use that much data and require an insane amount of speed. Unless they are downloading games when at home.
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:29 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39453 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:29 pm to
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Based on what?


The chairmen explicitly saying we don't need it?

Or is it one of those "we have to pass it to see whats in it " kind of things?



We've had three attempts prior to the current law to try and enact similar rules. There is nothing to show that the end goals of NN are not something that everyone wants to be able to achieve. However, if the Republicans want to enact their own version, they have to get rid of the one we have first.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:29 pm to
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I get all that. What I'm asking is that you mentioned that there were issues with encryption for 5G. You make it sound like there's a technological issue. If you're just talking users, then it doesn't matter if it's wired or wireless. People suck at security. Trust me on that one.


I feel like the back and forth is have is over most peoples heads
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:30 pm to
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You have no other way to access the internet except your landline ISP?


I do. I acknowledged that.

You have no other way to power home except your local power grid? Generators and solar panels just don’t exist?

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Your premise is that unless the competitor has the exact same level of service, they're not a competitor.


Yet you continue to acknowledge that there are competitors to the local grid tat off power for your home. They don’t offer the exact same level of service, but they are competitors to the grid? Right.

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Your premise is wrong. Period.


My premise is that if you support regulating your local power grid as a natural monopoly (which you seem to), then you should support regulating ISPS the same way. They two are functionally identical for this purpose.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:31 pm
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