re: FBI's latest data shows 'historic' drop in crime: Garland

That's already been covered.

For small scale crime or a property crime? There is a squishy area.

For serious, violent crimes like murder? Not exactly doable.

Imagine the narcissism required to imagine that you, the random autist, can just magically erase years of targeted crime reduction public policy with a simple whataboutism. " But whattabout Cleveland -crime went down too and they sat on their hands"....

The summer of 1977, known as the summer of Sam, I was in NYC with my Dusty Baker jersey (because frick the Yankees), a wee lad. I'm from upstate originally and was visiting relatives in Staten Island. The city had a malevolent, run down, feel. There were sanitation strikes, a blackout, corrupt cops everywhere, neighborhoods controlled by the mob ,police precincts attacked by mobs, all kind of crazy shite. I would describe it as gritty and threatening. In 1990, a time when murder was at or near an all-time high, the city had an altogether different feel. And of course, by 2000 it was in a Golden Age.

Much like any visit to Los Angeles in 1977 and then 2000 and then now would see a very clear decline. Even if you can demonstrate via FBI murder stats that murder was higher somewhere there during the decline then it is now. Because public safety is a LOT more than about how many hood rats killed how many other hood rats in a given year. It's about the quality of life, the way a city feels, the amount of run down crack houses, the amount of car burglaries and retail crime, how safe or unsafe tourists feel, how clean the parks are, how run down and filthy the streets are, how many aspects of life are operating at a level where a higher quality of life is possible. Don't care if 200 hood rats murder 200 other hood rats in a tenement in Bed-Stuy.

You can attribute that change from Shite Show to amazing American showcase to blind demographic luck all you want, but you are missing 90% of the true story.

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There was no magic formula or policy.

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You are literally making the case that policing, sentencing and public policy of any kind is irrelevant. That's special.

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Then tell me the one common variable that explains the crime reduction everywhere?

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Policing. Sentencing. Stop and frisk. Maintaining/improving the general environment. Hot spotting. Positive momentum. Civic pride. Good people moving in. Bad people moving out. Gentrification.

Again, your focus is all about black people murdering black people which is largely driven by demographics/birth rates. But that has very little to do with quality of life caused by property and nuisance crime and the urban blight that surrounds it. Like San Fransisco now, which is an objectively lawless shithole to the human eye, but you will champion it because fewer hood rats killed fewer hood rats last year. It was a great city in years past, even though more hood rats were killing more hood rats.

It's almost like you don't realize that violent crime rates can decrease in a city or a nation even as a city or nation descends into shitehole status. Crime is MUCH bigger and more impactful to the citizens of a city than murder and rape and assault. It's an overall vibe, a quality of life. What you see outside your window, how likely you are to go downtown to enjoy a concert, how you avoid places because of heroin addicts and homeless people, etc.

What utter bovine excrement! Major Dem crime centers are intentionally NOT reporting data anymore so as to give the false impression that crime is down. Only a true blue lemming would buy this propaganda. But you did!

Wtf is he talking about.

According to his department, ex-Presidents, President’s children, cats, dogs, praying ladies, school board attendees - the whole lot - are breaking laws right and left…

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And that classification isn't even made by LEO, usually. It's made by the medical examiner

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The ME calls it a "murder"? Or, more likely a homicide which isn't necessarily a murder.