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re: FBI Director Wray: “These are not hoax devices”
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:01 pm to PearlJam
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:01 pm to PearlJam
Sorry, been on the phone finishing up the workday.
Little of both, probably. I didn't adequately define "real" vs. "fake" in my original post, and I think that's the crux of our current disagreement.
Exactly.
Then they were defective bombs. i.e., real ones that malfunctioned due to his incompetence.
Incorrect. They'd be real bombs, but inoperable.
That's my question to the FBI. Were these bombs that were supposed to go off, but didn't (i.e., "real,"), or devices containing devices that were never meant to explode (i.e., "hoaxes")?
I'm just trying to figure out what the FBI is telling us RE: is this guy an incompetent bomber or good at deceiving folks? From Wray's quote, it sounds like the FBI is saying that these were bombs that failed to explode.
I gotta go pick up Q and hit the gym. Y'all have a good one
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Actually, it is the semantics of your poor word choices.
Little of both, probably. I didn't adequately define "real" vs. "fake" in my original post, and I think that's the crux of our current disagreement.
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If the guy sent fake bombs, then they were hoaxes, by definition
Right
Exactly.
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if he sent devices intended to be bombs, but weren't real bombs due to his incompetence
Then they were defective bombs. i.e., real ones that malfunctioned due to his incompetence.
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then they are not ”real bombs"
Incorrect. They'd be real bombs, but inoperable.
That's my question to the FBI. Were these bombs that were supposed to go off, but didn't (i.e., "real,"), or devices containing devices that were never meant to explode (i.e., "hoaxes")?
I'm just trying to figure out what the FBI is telling us RE: is this guy an incompetent bomber or good at deceiving folks? From Wray's quote, it sounds like the FBI is saying that these were bombs that failed to explode.
I gotta go pick up Q and hit the gym. Y'all have a good one
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:01 pm to Vecchio Cane
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FBI describing intent not to be a hoax
I agree but the PVC with no timing device is a hoax along with the hoax white powder which was probably baby powder.......
But I think the FBI is a hoax for not saying they were fake bombs just like the powder....
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:03 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:It's not like he tried and failed and then tried again and failed, etc. 14 times. He made 14 or more devices that all failed in one attempt. He either didn't intend them to explode (a hoax) or he tried to make them real but didn't follow the bomb making directions well enough. The FBI seems to be indicating they think it is the latter.
Nobody fails 14 out of 14 times if he is serious.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Agree.
I didn't adequately define "real" vs. "fake" in my original post, and I think that's the crux of our current disagreement.
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That's my question to the FBI. Were these bombs that were supposed to go off, but didn't (i.e., "real,"), or devices containing devices that were never meant to explode (i.e., "hoaxes")?
I take this quote to mean they believe he intended the bombs to be real. That may be based on some evidence they have or may be so they can charge him with crimes that carry a stiffer punishment. Not sure.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:10 pm to AlxTgr
quote:It isnt though
Of course it's true.
A man points a loaded gun without a firing pin at someones head and pulls the trigger
We do not know if its a hoax yet
A man points a loaded gun without a firing pin at someones head and pulls the trigger when he knew the firing pin was missing
Thats a Hoax
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:13 pm to lsupride87
I agree with the above, but the original had the word, fake, in it.
This is 100% true.
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If Mr. Crazy Guy sent fake bombs, then the bombs were hoaxes.
This is 100% true.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:13 pm to bamarep
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Then he's the worst bomb maker in the history of humanity.
Even your resident Muzzie goat fricker can get one to explode once in a while.
Shiit. Even the random high school student in chem class has an accidental explosion every now and then.
But not this guy? A guy that meticulously searched and found the home addresses of several politicians and celebrities and soros...couldn't figure out how to make a single working device?
A small 4th of july sparkler would've been more dangerous than the toys that guy sent out.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Look, this still isnt true. Let me explain it real simple
If the guy sent fake bombs, then they were hoaxes, by definition
Right
Exactly.
A really retarded Texas grad makes a fake bomb using only a tuna fish can and play-doh. But he is so dumb he thinks it is real and it will work. He mails that fake bomb to his smart distinguished A&M grad neighbor thinking it will blow up
Even though the bomb was fake the entire time, it isnt a hoax
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:14 pm to AlxTgr
quote:no it didn't. Check tbirds first post. Slightly different, which matters in a semantics debate.
but the original had the word, fake, in it.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:14 pm to AlxTgr
quote:It isnt.
This is 100% true.
Read my play-doh texas grad analogy
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:15 pm to Wolf Messing
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Is it still "Winning" if none of the bombs went off?
Why don’t you ask the recipients?
Whatever this is, it has to beat being on the losing end.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:17 pm to lsupride87
quote:OK, you and I have a different understanding of "fake".
A really retarded Texas grad makes a fake bomb using only a tuna fish can and play-doh. But he is so dumb he thinks it is real and it will work. He mails that bomb to his smart distinguished A&M grad neighbor
Even though the bomb was fake the entire time, it isnt a hoax
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:18 pm to PearlJam
quote:No no, I only replied to a specific post. It had fake in it. My reply has nothing to do with tbird.
but the original had the word, fake, in it.
no it didn't. Check tbirds first post. Slightly different, which matters in a semantics debate.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:18 pm to PearlJam
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The FBI seems to be indicating they think it is the latter.
Then they don't know for sure. They could say it also seems like a hoax since none of the bombs worked couldn't they. I guess the only person that knows for sure is the kook but something tells me we will never hear it from his lips ourselves.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:19 pm to AlxTgr
I think y’all are assuming something fake means it was “known fake”
People have items all the time that are fake that are unbeknownst to them
If this guy knew the bombs were fake, then yes, 100% it’s a hoax
People have items all the time that are fake that are unbeknownst to them
If this guy knew the bombs were fake, then yes, 100% it’s a hoax
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:21 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:They could, but they didn’t
They could say it also seems like a hoax since none of the bombs worked couldn't they
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:24 pm to lsupride87
quote:Sure. If I hand you a gun with no firing pin, you have no idea.
People have items all the time that are fake that are unbeknownst to them
No one handed this guy "fake" bombs. If that did happen, it's not been reported.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:25 pm to lsupride87
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This isnt debatable. If this guy wanted his devices to explode, and in his mind they were made to explode, this isnt a hoax
Actually it is unless I missed something or unless you can read his mind. I have yet to see anything where he sent them and in his mind thought they explode.
So with your argument if the guy wanted to send them as a threat to scare people with no intention of them ever exploding in his mind then it was a hoax. Got it.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:26 pm to TideWarrior
quote:The fbi saying it isn’t a hoax...
Actually it is unless I missed something or unless you can read his mind. I have yet to see anything where he sent them and in his mind thought they explode.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:27 pm to TideWarrior
quote:Most crimes have an element of intent that is proved by evidence without any mind reading.
unless you can read his mind.
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