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re: FBI building DNA data base for ALL Americans.... strike one against Trump
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Don’t get arrested
if certain dems get their gun laws passed, this is going to become very difficult
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:26 pm to omegaman66
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I understand that LE want a database of DNA to solve crime, but unless they can get a search warrant for your DNA
A 5-4 SCOTUS decision ruled they don't need a warrant.
Justices Scalia, [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg, [Sonia] Sotomayor, and [Elena] Kagan for dissented from the Court’s opinion
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:29 pm to Jjdoc
While I disagree with it, let's not act like the gov't doesn't already have access to everything on us anyway.
I'd much prefer if this was done after being found guilty of certain crimes, however, rather than just arrested.
I'd much prefer if this was done after being found guilty of certain crimes, however, rather than just arrested.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:31 pm to Jjdoc
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strike one
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:32 pm to The Maj
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The Maj
Your comprehension sucks.
Your quote was proven accurate.
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President Donald Trump has signed the Rapid DNA Act into law which means the police can routinely take DNA samples from people who are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime.
Without the law, they would, due to costs, not routinely do it.
Now that the cost is not there, they will be able to routinely do it.
That sentence does not state the the LAW GIVES THEM PERMISSION TO COLLECT DNA. It states it makes it easier to routinely do it.
NEXT....
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:37 pm to Jjdoc
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Without the law, they would, due to costs, not routinely do it.
That's some serious mental gymnastics... The law does not do what your article states you dumb shite...
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Now that the cost is not there, they will be able to routinely do it.
Not if their state law does not allow it... Tell me, how many state have laws that allow the collection of DNA upon arrest... How many are restricted to certain types of crimes?
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the the LAW GIVES THEM PERMISSION TO COLLECT DNA.
You and the article implied the entire time that this law that Trump signed allows for the "routine collection of DNA".... Again, serious mental gymnastics on your part...
JBond = JDoc… I am pretty certain at this point...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:51 pm to The Maj
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You and the article implied the entire time that this law that Trump signed allows for the "routine collection of DNA".... Again, serious mental gymnastics on your part...
No.. that's YOUR lack of comprehension on display.
President Donald Trump has signed the Rapid DNA Act into law which means the police can routinely take DNA samples from people who are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime.
That is the sentence in the article that you pointed out.
That sentence does not state the LAW GIVES THEM PERMISSION TO COLLECT DNA. It states it makes it easier to routinely do it.
Next!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:54 pm to Jjdoc
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hat sentence does not state the LAW GIVES THEM PERMISSION TO COLLECT DNA. It states it makes it easier to routinely do it.
Your brain was damaged at some point... that is the only explanation... OR maybe you are a paid shill sent here to post shite like this all the time to hook the masses on your thread titles and shite...
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police can routinely take DNA samples
The law in no such way authorizes this... There might be a state law that does but the law that Trump signed that you referenced multiple times DOES NOT do this...
Sorry to bust your bubble...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:00 pm to The Maj
Link to Congress and the Law
Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-50 (08/18/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The expanded summary of the House reported version is repeated here.)
Rapid DNA Act of 2017
(Sec. 2) This bill amends the DNA Identification Act of 1994 to require the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to issue standards and procedures for using Rapid DNA instruments to analyze DNA samples of criminal offenders.
Rapid DNA instruments carry out a fully automated process to create a DNA analysis from a DNA sample.
DNA samples prepared by criminal justice agencies using Rapid DNA instruments in compliance the FBI-issued standards and procedures may be included in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS).
(Sec. 3) The bill amends the DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 to allow the FBI to waive certain existing requirements if a DNA sample is analyzed using Rapid DNA instruments and the results are included in CODIS.
Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-50 (08/18/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The expanded summary of the House reported version is repeated here.)
Rapid DNA Act of 2017
(Sec. 2) This bill amends the DNA Identification Act of 1994 to require the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to issue standards and procedures for using Rapid DNA instruments to analyze DNA samples of criminal offenders.
Rapid DNA instruments carry out a fully automated process to create a DNA analysis from a DNA sample.
DNA samples prepared by criminal justice agencies using Rapid DNA instruments in compliance the FBI-issued standards and procedures may be included in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS).
(Sec. 3) The bill amends the DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 to allow the FBI to waive certain existing requirements if a DNA sample is analyzed using Rapid DNA instruments and the results are included in CODIS.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:08 pm to The Maj
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Your brain was damaged at some point... that is the only explanation... OR maybe you are a paid shill sent here to post shite like this all the time to hook the masses on your thread titles and shite...
No it's not. Clearly you don't understand the law nor what you read in the article.
The law allows for a local LE to access a DNA data base directly from their office. Therefore they can do it more routinely without the costs of sending it off.
It's not the fault of the article you can not comprehend.
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The law in no such way authorizes this... There might be a state law that does but the law that Trump signed that you referenced multiple times DOES NOT do this...
Stop taking words out of context.
Had you read the article you would know that it states the SCOTUS decision made it possible for LE to collect DNA without a waarant, NOT THE LAW TRUMP SIGNED.
When put together, a clear picture (comprehension)is painted.
The SCOTUS allowed warrant-less collection of dna of people arrested and this law makes it easy for routine collections due to the method it employs.
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The law in no such way authorizes this...
The article never stated it did and it clearly pointed to the SCOTUS ruling that did!
Next!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:13 pm to Jjdoc
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The law allows for a local LE to access a DNA data base directly from their office.
I posted the law for you dumbass... read, study, attempt to comprehend...
Your cry from the wilderness amounted to nothing more than a fart in the wind... bless your retarded little heart...
JBond = Jjdoc
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:17 pm to Ten Bears
The difference is that insurance companies and everyone else in the world can get your DNA through a public records request and then charge you more for being predisposed to whatever might be in your genetic code that some so called scientist hired by the insurance lobbyist groups says makes you a higher risk and they can legally charge you more.
your DNA is your password to life. only give it to those you trust and only do so willingly
your DNA is your password to life. only give it to those you trust and only do so willingly
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:19 pm to Jjdoc
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A 5-4 SCOTUS decision ruled they don't need a warrant.
Justices Scalia, [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg, [Sonia] Sotomayor, and [Elena] Kagan for dissented from the Court’s opinion
I understand.
People need to understand. The US Constitution says that the SC was wrong. And that is my point. This shite need to get fixed and corrected.
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Regardless of what the SC says that doesn't mean it doesn't violate the US constitution.
I am meaning that, yes it is now freaking our law. But I am smart enough to know their dumbass interpretation of the US Constitution is 100% wrong.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:20 pm to Jjdoc
Eye Recna Scans
Fingerprints
DNA
Everything but a National ID Card
Fingerprints
DNA
Everything but a National ID Card
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:21 pm to Midget Death Squad
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1. websites like the one you link to are more often than not full of fake data and statistics. Vaccines causing autism and weed curing cancer are prime examples of factually vacant data that this reminds me of
That website just put together an easy to read list. The NYT, Scientific American, and other noteworthy (can we trust any of them?) publications have run stories on this subject. You can look them up.
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2. If this data has any truth to it (I'm sure there is some), what is the ratio of corrupt DNA convictions vs legit? This is critical before making any determination of the dangers of this
I think the appropriate point of concern is that there are a number of documented cases (many including overturned convictions) because of prosecutor misconduct, incompetence and corruption of forensic labs, etc.
Who cares about the ratio? That would be important if people were calling for the abolition of forensics being used to solve crimes. Then the error rate would be a significant factor in weighing the potential good vs. potential bad. But nobody is suggesting that.
The 4th Amendment should be vigorously defended against the government's natural inclination to compile data on innocent citizens, even if there is some argument for potential good.
It doesn't require a tin-foil hat to allow you to imagine the potential abuses by well-meaning governments or, worse yet, some corrupt government today or in the future.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:27 pm to Ten Bears
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It can be argued that how they caught the Golden St killer was a violation of the 4th amendment
didn't they use dna from his trash? technically, i thought trash was considered discarded property. at that point, it's fair game.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:47 pm to The Maj
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I posted the law for you dumbass... read, study, attempt to comprehend...
The law isn't the issue. Your comprehension of the article is.
And now....everybody sees it. You read something that was not there.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:48 pm to omegaman66
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People need to understand. The US Constitution says that the SC was wrong. And that is my point. This shite need to get fixed and corrected.
Correct! Agree 100%
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:51 pm to Jjdoc
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The law isn't the issue. Your comprehension of the article is.
President Donald Trump has signed the Rapid DNA Act into law which means the police can routinely take DNA samples from people who are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime.
The law, which was signed in 2017 and comes into effect this year, will require several states to connect Rapid DNA machines to Codis – the national DNA database controlled by the FBI.
These machines, which are portable and about the same size as a desktop printer, are expected to become as routine a process as taking fingerprints.
But John W. Whitehead from The Rutherford Institute believes it is a sinister development which will make everyone a suspect.
And yet you chose to quote the article above AS YOUR BASIS FOR the argument...
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FBI building DNA data base for ALL Americans.... strike one against Trump
So, if the LAW is not the issue, why is this "strike one" against Trump for signing it? Yet again, your dumbass is showing through....
Try harder it is always entertaining to watch a retard flounder...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:00 pm to Tiger4Liberty
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Who cares about the ratio?
Ratio is important. You shouldn't create laws that would cause harm to 99% of the population in order to create a benefit for 1% of it, just as you shouldn't prevent laws due to X% of the population exploiting it if X is a significantly low number. The percentage of cases that resulted in bad or corrupt handling of DNA evidence needs to be known in order to determine just how volatile the use of it is.
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The 4th Amendment should be vigorously defended against the government's natural inclination to compile data on innocent citizens, even if there is some argument for potential good.
Sure, which is where I am on the fence with this. No amendment is absolute. For instance the 1st amendment does not protect any speech that will cause intentional harm to others. This is why government can arrest people for bomb threats; the expression of the threat is strictly speech, but the threat is a causation of danger.
DNA is not something anyone can hold privately in that we leave it everywhere everyday. A mouth swab is completely noninvasive, so it's not the same as drawing a blood sample.
I think creating a database of fingerprints and dna causes no harm and brings about great benefit to the security of our civilization. The moment I see rational evidence that harm does indeed come from this is the moment I begin to rethink my position.
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