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re: FBI building DNA data base for ALL Americans.... strike one against Trump
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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right and proper to look at data collection by the government with a skeptical eye.
I got no issue with that at all... but there is no need to make shite up in order to stir the masses up... This is no different than the fake attacks on the left...
If you will notice, Jdoc RARELY comes with a reputable, current source for any of his posts...
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:31 pm to The Maj
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So, you have NOT read the law... LMAO
You just keep proving you can not comprehend what you are reading.
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Try Google bitch, you might not look as fricking stupid...
You have not provided one thing about the article that's wrong.
Let me help you. You quote the parts of the article that's wrong.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:31 pm to CptBengal
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This is fricking bullshite
What he said ^
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:33 pm to Jjdoc
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waiting on you to point out where the article is wrong......
Already have, look above because I am not linking the information again...
Are you JBond's alter? You two fricks are like the two sides of a coin... Different but the same and always keep posting no matter how many times your arse has been handed to you in a thread... Just things that make you go hmmmm...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:34 pm to The Maj
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The Maj
Still waiting....
You have attacked the article as not accurate. Please quote it. Are you worried that you did indeed not comprehend it?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:34 pm to Jjdoc
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You have not provided one thing about the article that's wrong.
Yes, I did... The information is provided in links very EARLY in this thread...
Jjdoc = JBond
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:35 pm to Jjdoc
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Because it's my right to not have it take place.
the 4th and all!
I don't need to go past that point. That should be enough. Anything else is police state shite.
This seems a bit irrational. You can't point to anything negative that could come of this other than they are "seizing" your DNA. While this part is debatable and mildly concerning, I would like to know what harm could possibly be brought upon you by your DNA being in a database?
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Midget:
I don’t know how. And I highly doubt it gets abused immediately. But years from now when it is completely common place for the gov to have everyone’s DNA on file, this could be used to deny rights or services to someone.
This is my point: there is no reasonable way for this to bring harm to anyone that I know of. On the other hand there is tremendous good to come of this. We can all concoct numerous scifi uses of this, but so far I see nothing based on science.
Keep in mind that you leave DNA everywhere on a daily, hourly and minutely basis. If you are so worried about your DNA getting out there for people to abuse, I suggest living in a bubble.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:36 pm to The Maj
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Already have, look above because I am not linking the information again...
You have not quoted anything from the article to prove it wrong.
Quote the parts FROM the article that are wrong.
You can't and we both know it. It's why you are refusing to.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:37 pm to The Maj
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Yes, I did..
No... you didn't.
Please quote the parts of the article that are wrong.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:40 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Because it's my right to not have it take place.
the 4th and all!
I don't need to go past that point. That should be enough. Anything else is police state shite.
This seems a bit irrational.
I shouldn't have to.
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I would like to know what harm could possibly be brought upon you by your DNA being in a database?
Because history has shown when Gov's gain too much control over personal lives, the power becomes intoxicating to politicians and they use it.
I will point again to the election of 2016.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:43 pm to Jjdoc
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No... you didn't.
Jesus Christ you are a dumb frick..
"DOES NOT" is important below... try to keep up...
Notably, the law does not affect when or how DNA samples are collected, or the type of information uploaded to CODIS. It also restricts access to CODIS to law enforcement agencies using rapid DNA instruments approved by the FBI, and in compliance with standards and procedures issued by the FBI.
Rapid DNA Act Article
Promega
Educate yourself...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:46 pm to Jjdoc
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quote the parts
President Donald Trump has signed the Rapid DNA Act into law which means the police can routinely take DNA samples from people who are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime.
First line of you bullshite article is as far as I had to go... YOUR MOVE JBond… ugh, I mean JDoc...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:54 pm to Jjdoc
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Because history has shown when Gov's gain too much control over personal lives, the power becomes intoxicating to politicians and they use it.
What control are they gaining over your personal life here? How does a DNA database give them control over you?
You are speaking in extreme platitudes without any rational reasoning given to support them. Again I am open to being convinced this is dangerous, but I need to see something rational showing the actual danger.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:06 pm to Midget Death Squad
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How? By duplicating your DNA and creating replicated tissue? It's a small sample. This seems like a bit of irrational fear to me.
A lab has actually proven that they can replicate DNA that takes further testing (which is not routine) to determine that it isn't natural.
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I don't see an issue with this. DNA is the most critical way to solve crimes, and having a more extensive database will decrease the number of unsolved cases. Until someone can show me how this is negative I don't see the problem here.
Police incompetence and fraud in wrongful convictions using DNA
Overzealous prosecutors and their closely linked State-controlled forensic labs have, more than a few times, been shown to be corrupt.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:15 pm to The Maj
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President Donald Trump has signed the Rapid DNA Act into law which means the police can routinely take DNA samples from people who are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime.
No, that is correct:
NBC and the Rutherford Institute
rapid DNA act signed into law by the president allows police to take DNA from a suspect within two hours of his or her arrest.
Gov Tech
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Rapid DNA Technology Gives Law Enforcement Access to Your DNA in 90 Minutes
Prior it would take weeks.
So yes, this law allows local law enforcement the ability to get the results IN house with anybody arrested.
So that sentence is factually correct. They no longer have to pick and chose which to send off. Get stopped and have an unpaid traffic ticket, get arrested, and due to the lack of cost and the speed of it.... therefore this:
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which means the police can routinely
is 100% accurate.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Here’s an earth shattering, mind blowing recommendation to avoid the effects of this law: Don’t get arrested Omg! Omg!
Let me break the news to you. You can prevent doing something to get you arrested. However, there is nothing you can do to stop the police from arresting you when you didn't do anything wrong.
I understand that LE want a database of DNA to solve crime, but unless they can get a search warrant for your DNA that should be off limits until a warrant is obtained. And after you are not convicted your DNA should be purged from the database.
Fingerprints may fall under the same umbrella but that info far less far reaching than your DNA. Don't think for a second that sci-fi shite like denying employment for dna markers isn't going to happen in your lifetime... it already has.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:15 pm to Midget Death Squad
I’m putting my tinfoil hat on now. I do not think this will happen, is going to happen, blah blah blah but this is something that one day could. And no I’m not living I’m my bunker completely cut off from the grid and everyone else (yet)
But one day the government could use a DNA database to tell people “You have XXX DNA sequence which is YYY% higher risk for ZZZ hereditary disease so you can’t have children due to the possible burden on the future healthcare system.”
Or “You have XXX DNA sequence which is YYY% higher risk for ZZZ psycologucal disease so you can’t vote or you can’t buy a gun”
But one day the government could use a DNA database to tell people “You have XXX DNA sequence which is YYY% higher risk for ZZZ hereditary disease so you can’t have children due to the possible burden on the future healthcare system.”
Or “You have XXX DNA sequence which is YYY% higher risk for ZZZ psycologucal disease so you can’t vote or you can’t buy a gun”
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:17 pm to Tiger4Liberty
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A lab has actually proven that they can replicate DNA that takes further testing (which is not routine) to determine that it isn't natural.
IF replicating DNA is possible I am sure it is also not routine. The moment this becomes practice is when testing to determine whether the DNA is natural or artificial will also become routine.
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Overzealous prosecutors and their closely linked State-controlled forensic labs have, more than a few times, been shown to be corrupt.
1. websites like the one you link to are more often than not full of fake data and statistics. Vaccines causing autism and weed curing cancer are prime examples of factually vacant data that this reminds me of
2. If this data has any truth to it (I'm sure there is some), what is the ratio of corrupt DNA convictions vs legit? This is critical before making any determination of the dangers of this
Really this sounds like conspiracy theories more than anything else
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:18 pm to Jjdoc
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rapid DNA act signed into law by the president allows police to take DNA from a suspect within two hours of his or her arrest.
No it does not read the law...
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Prior it would take weeks.
Because it had to be sent to a lab before inclusion into CODIS... Try some comprehension...
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So that sentence is factually correct.
No it is not... Not even close... State Law is going to determine what police can and cannot do when it comes to collecting DNA... These laws were passed BEFORE this law, years before...
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is 100% accurate.
Not even close
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