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re: Family of AR-15 inventor says gun was intended for military use

Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:23 am to
Posted by TaderSalad
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:23 am to
quote:

I’d argue the opposite, that makes it more defensible from a 2A purpose.




That's the beauty of the Amendments. They are to be taken as written, without a hidden agenda.

"you have the right to bare arms."

Posted by Summer of George
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
6114 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:26 am to
Sweet. Just bought me a new AR this weekend.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:26 am to
Then you have epipens, duct tape, GPS, the internet, hell even general purpose computers were all originally designed for military use.
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:27 am to
My AR doesn’t like to be naked.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25860 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:34 am to
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a semi-automatic weapon


You mean like the 2 semi-automatic handguns that the Va Tech shooter used?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:35 am to
So was the Hummer
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:36 am to
quote:

GPS


Yes, it's in every smart phone but apparently needs to be banned.

Also, radar (microwave oven), the jet engine, and nylon synthetics.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:41 am to
quote:

It wouldn't even come to that. He'd just have to rack a round and they'd run off.





Another one of my favorites!
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70544 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:44 am to
quote:

The inventor of the .gif says it's pronounced "jif". That doesn't make him right...


I think it kinda does. I pronounce it "jif" if only to piss off all the autists who go nuts when anyone doesn't pronounce it "gif".
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:46 am to
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:46 am to
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That's a blanket statement. Both have advantages and disadvantages in different situations. A lot of soldiers in Iraq were using the AK47 due to the heavier rounds penetrating walls better and also due to the AK never jamming which has always been an advantage it has over other rifles.


I'm sorry, but this is absolutely positively false. "A lot of soldiers" were not using the AK47 in Iraq. Very very very few soldiers used them in Iraq. The M4/AR15 is an very reliable weapon, and given basic maintenance that virtually every single soldier is capable of performing, it's not going to be noticeably less reliable than the AK47.

The downsides of using an AK47 would obliterate the supposed upside of increased penetration capabilities. Optics, lasers, and ergonomics are massively important to an army that fights at night. Nobody is ditching those to carry a hunk of shite AK47 they found on the street.

And I'll bust a myth for you right now: PLENTY of Iraqis and Afghans had malfunctioning AK47s. Treat a weapon like shite and it will perform like shite.

This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 9:48 am
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2013
7235 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:47 am to
Smart move. Can you imagine the sort of hell that family would receive if they said anything different?
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
43940 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:47 am to
I read Eugene Stoner's book years ago ... and own a collection of his AR-7 rifles as well as two AR-10s, although I got rid of all my AR-15s and I'm going to sell the two AR-10s in favor of my SIG 716s but, nonetheless ... I feel like I do know what the man would say to his remaining family, were he still alive.

Stoner would say, shut the frick up. I didn't bring you onto this earth in order for you to speak for me after I'm dead while spending my millions and not accomplishing a thing on your own other that to insert our family name into a political fight we'd best stay the frick out of.

I'm pretty sure that's what Gene would say.

It always baffles my mind when kids, while offering no imperical evidence whatsoever, pretend to speak for their disabled or dead famous parents. It just blows my mind.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:49 am to
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All depends on the choke smart guy.


Buckshot, smart guy. You walking around with no 8 shot in your Benelli? Shooting Iraqi pigeons?

Box o Truth

Tell us more about your Shotguns heroics
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 9:55 am
Posted by DelU249
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:50 am to
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:53 am to
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Another one of my favorites!


The mythology surrounding firearms is fascinating.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:55 am to
quote:

The mythology surrounding firearms is fascinating.



Yeah, it is. I've fallen victim to that mythology more than once myself.
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:58 am to
Actually, I keep 2- #6 in my 870 at home, backed by 00 buck.

Choke affects buck shot too. 2 3/4 spread difference is significantly different at 25 yards VS modified or full.
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:00 am to
I’d say they are correct:

Sorry. That it doesn’t agree with you’re position.

At close range, reduced recoil loads seem to shoot a tighter pattern. But the difference is small, i.e., 1 3/4 to 4 inches. As always, you have to aim a shotgun at close range. The patterns are tight.
At moderate ranges (20 yards), the loads had an average spread of around 9 to 17 inches. This is getting big enough that, unless carefully aimed, many pellets will miss a bad guy.
3. At long ranges, even 45 yards, you will miss with more pellets that you will hit with. The question might be, “Why would you shoot at someone at 45 yards?” Well, if he is at 45 yards and shooting at me, I will return fire. If a shotgun is all I have, I will use that. But understand that you will have a lot of missed pellets.
Reduced recoil loads are easier on the shoulder to shoot. But, you don’t get something for nothing. That also means that they will not have the total energy that a heavier load will have. You have to make a choice and go with it.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 10:02 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:03 am to
quote:

"you have the right to bare arms."

Leftist translation: you don’t have to wear sleeves.
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