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re: F the Strait of Hormuz

Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:58 pm to
It's a big problem for Asian Pacific nations much more than Europe. This affects their chemical and plastics manufacturing in a big way. Naphtha for their ethylene crackers. Propane, Butane and Ethane along with gasoline, diesel, kerosene and base oil for lubricants.
Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:01 pm to
Adapt and overcome.

MAGA
Posted by Centinel
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:03 pm to
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This is a complete 180 from what Trump was saying just "two weeks" ago. Its amazing how MAGA will conform or contort to anything Trump says.



Two weeks ago Trump assumed Europe would aid in securing the straight, especially since goods flowing through the strait are far more important for Europe than the US.

Trump was wrong. So now he sees no need to worry about securing the straight, if the countries who are impacted by it the most refuse to assist.

I mean it's not hard.
Posted by Techdave
Laffy
Member since Apr 2014
781 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:22 pm to
Sounds like Trump may not have to bother with the Strait if Iran caves as it appears to be happening.
Posted by JackaReaux
BR
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:23 pm to
This is a shite show, but leaving now at least allows for time to save face before midterms. Gas prices are gonna be sticky
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63563 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:25 pm to
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Techdave


This board is reaching maximum retardation.
Posted by Techdave
Laffy
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:26 pm to
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This board is reaching maximum retardation.


Don't be sour that Trump is about to force Iran to negotiate. It's coming. And it's impressive to make such a stubborn regime even consider that!
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11117 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:27 pm to
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Europe will be paying a steep price for not assisting in this.


Are you saying the US can't beat Iran without the help of Europe? If not, why do we even care if they get involved or not? Who tf goes into war and hinges success based off of uncommitted support from other countries?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37180 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:30 pm to
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Glad he is backing away from that. Let the rest of the world deal with that. Middle East needs to learn to police themselves anyways. Finish figuring out what to do with preventing a nuke, then walk away from this Iran situation satisfied. The rest is not our problem.

This is an astounding and apparently pervasive outlook here.

I cannot imagine supporting (a) starting a conflict, destroying shite, and directly causing the closure of the waterway and then (b) just throwing up hands and saying “not our problem”.

No—it is our problem. We made the mess, without informing or including the Europeans. If we wanted their help and cooperation, we probably should have asked for it and not just constantly tell them to frick themselves.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:32 pm to
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So now he sees no need to worry about securing the straight, if the countries who are impacted by it the most refuse to assist.

I wonder what our perspective would be if the EU unilaterally invaded Panama, damaged the Canal, then popped smoke and said “oh well, we don’t really need it. Why are you refusing to assist!?!”
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26313 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:32 pm to
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directly causing the closure of the waterway


We did not do this. Iran did this, they could respond in other ways but chose this..
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63563 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:32 pm to
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Don't be sour that Trump is about to force Iran to negotiate. It's coming. And it's impressive to make such a stubborn regime even consider that!


Uh, you do realize that we were in negations with them in February, right?

Like I said, maximum retardation.
Posted by Techdave
Laffy
Member since Apr 2014
781 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:33 pm to
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directly causing the closure of the waterway


First off you need to understand the difference with direct and indirect.

Iran DIRECTLY closed the waterway.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37180 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:33 pm to
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Iran did this, they could respond in other ways but chose this..

A response that was 100% known to every nation on earth in the event of attack.

We knew going in that anything we did would disrupt trade in the strait
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63563 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:33 pm to
It’s funny, a week and a half ago, the board consensus was that the Strait was not closed.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37180 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:34 pm to
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First off you need to understand the difference with direct and indirect. Iran DIRECTLY closed the waterway.

Basic cause and effect. Call it what you want. It’s a mess of our unilateral making.
Posted by Techdave
Laffy
Member since Apr 2014
781 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:34 pm to
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I wonder what our perspective would be if the EU unilaterally invaded Panama, damaged the Canal, then popped smoke and said “oh well, we don’t really need it. Why are you refusing to assist!?!”


A big difference with that is....we did zero damage to the waterway. Iran is doing all that.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26313 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:35 pm to
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A response that was 100% known to every nation on earth in the event of attack. We knew going in that anything we did would disrupt trade in the strait


This is justification for making Iran not exist as it does today. Can’t let nutbags Muslims control major trade routes.
Posted by Techdave
Laffy
Member since Apr 2014
781 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:36 pm to
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Basic cause and effect. Call it what you want. It’s a mess of our unilateral making.



So If I punch someone at a bar and they leave and come back to shoot everyone in the bar. Who gets the murder charge?

Blame Iran for closing the Strait. No one else.
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