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re: Expose Football players now to prevent problems in fall.

Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:23 pm to
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So, you acknowledge that this isn't forced? What are you objecting to? That some might choose to agree to planned infection so they can more quickly further their career, while others would choose not to?

Be specific. What are your objections?
Good Lord, you truly do NOT read and understand Standard American English, do you?

“Forced infection” would involve injecting the virus into a test subject. Clearly NO ONE other than YOU used that terminology.

“Forced participation” would involve the organization saying “Show up for practice and take your chloro, or you lose your scholly/salary.”. YES, I can see some organizations conceivably presenting that ultimatum. There would indeed be a Hobson’s choice, making it technically “optional,” but the “option” would be largely illusory from a practical standpoint.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:24 pm to
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backtracking already.
From what?

Who ties your shoes for you each morning? Seriously?
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:25 pm to
You are not talking about NCAA athletes right???

Hell, we don’t even pay them but you want to purposely expose them to a virus so you are not bored on a Saturday?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:25 pm to
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That's because you posited that the OP meant voluntary--something that has yet to be verified.



You think he wanted to round them up and inject them with the virus?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28141 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:26 pm to
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College football can't survive without fans in seats.



I would say the BIG and SEC could survive for a year without fans. TV money will cover some of the cost but most of not all will lose money.Gonna have to cut way back on bloated AD's and bloated support staff. No way it could go on for more than that though.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:27 pm to
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“Forced participation” would involve the organization saying “Show up for practice and take your chloro, or you lose your scholly/salary.”


Why would this be objectionable assuming a large number (or any) are willing to participate? Why do you object to people making their own decisions on this? You'd rather shut down the entire industry than offer an option that is potentially viewed as too risky for everyone?

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There would indeed be a Hobson’s choice, making it technically “optional,” but the “option” would be largely illusory from a practical standpoint.



Retarded
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
16905 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:27 pm to
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You think he wanted to round them up and inject them with the virus?


Nope. And no one has said that.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:28 pm to
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From what?

Who ties your shoes for you each morning? Seriously?



I already explained. You've gone from "test subjects" to "willing participants".

Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:28 pm to
Compassionate use. I science at work every day bro.

When I graduated, my dad told me that they would have supported any career choice I could have made, save one: law school. My Dad was a great and wise man.

Not saying I agree with the OP's idea. I just disagree with most of the posts from you.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:29 pm to
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Nope. And no one has said that.



What's your objection?
Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
5922 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:30 pm to
I'm not trying to post some gotcha, just genuinely curious, does anyone know how antibiotic Z-Pack is fighting this virus?
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7227 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:30 pm to
Gonna kill off some old ball coaches doing this.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37092 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:32 pm to
Informed consent would have to include:
1) No evidence that HCQ is effective. Evidence that HCQ could affect your heart rate.
2) COVID-19 is an unknown novel virus that can kill you with no known treatment.
3) COVID-19 can be especially deadly for people who are overweight, have heart issues, asthma, diabetes.
4) Even survival of the disease can leave you with severe lung scarring resulting in decreased lung capacity.
5) Regardless of whether you successfully contract the disease you will be forced to self quarantine for 3 weeks.
6) While we suspect that exposure to the virus will grant some immunity to future infections, we do not know that for a fact and the effect could be limited to as little as a few weeks or months.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:33 pm to
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I'm not trying to post some gotcha, just genuinely curious, does anyone know how antibiotic Z-Pack is fighting this virus?



I think the assumption is that this is the recommendation of the medical personnel who would monitor this. If some other treatment was recommended, obviously that is what should be followed. The point is that they receive the best care possible during the infection period.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:33 pm to
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moneyg
Good Lord.

The OP did not indicate that his proposal would BE “voluntary.”. As such, it could be interpreted as proposing mandatory participation..

Participation would be truly “voluntary” only if the athlete keeps his scholly/salary regardless of his decision to risk his life or health by participating in a drug trial.
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37092 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:34 pm to
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Compassionate use. I science at work every day bro.
Don't you order supplies for a hospital? Like a shipping clerk?
Posted by Dfresh82
Member since May 2015
70 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:35 pm to
Retarded. You are a disgrace to ‘Dougs’ everywhere.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
16905 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:35 pm to
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What's your objection?


The optics, for one. All it takes is one underlying condition for this to blow up in an organization's face.

Also, as it relates to professional football, they are in their infancy of their season when they traditionally aren't practicing. You think you're going get a massive amount of participation across the league at this time vs waiting it out a few months and seeing what the situation looks like?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:39 pm to
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e OP did not indicate that his proposal would BE “voluntary.”. As such, it could be interpreted as being involuntary.

Participation would be truly “voluntary” only if the athlete keeps his scholly/salary regardless of his decision to risk his life or health by participating in a drug trial.



Your definition of "involuntary" is that it's offered as a way to participate. It's literally the opposite of "involuntary".

And, now you've added a stipulation that the athlete can keep his scholarship or salary by not playing? What world do you live in? If the NBA/NFL/College FB is cancelled for the entire year of 2020, you think they are going to keep their salaries and scholarships?

This proposal saves their salary/scholarship.

Football players take risk every day. They risk their health when they step on the field. This is just a different risk. Maybe it's not for everyone. But, I'd be willing to be the VERY LARGE MAJORITY would do this based on what we know about this virus and how it impacts young, healthy individuals.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62212 posts
Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:42 pm to
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The optics, for one
So, the merit of the idea is less important than the optics? Ok.

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Also, as it relates to professional football, they are in their infancy of their season when they traditionally aren't practicing. You think you're going get a massive amount of participation across the league at this time vs waiting it out a few months and seeing what the situation looks like?



There comes a point in time (maybe not exactly now) where the OP's recommendation makes a TON of sense. The NBA could implement this and literally have a season in a month. We're talking billions in revenue and salaries for the players at very minimal risk. If the NFL is staring at losing the 2020-2021 season, it would be very smart to offer this option to the players as compared to just cancelling the season.
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