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re: Explain how ridding of the DOE will help children's learning
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:01 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:01 am to East Coast Band
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Explain how ridding of the DOE will help children's learning
As we have seen with many of the other federal agencies I am sure there will be massive fraud found there.
I think the federal government should setup an amount of funding based on the number of children in school. Then the feds should send this money is to be disbursed by the states to the local systems according to the numbers of children.
Then the feds should REQUIRE that the local school boards are the only ones who decide where this money goes and all these boards are to be elected by the citizens of that system with no more than a 2 year term.
This way of the people in a local system dont like the way the money is being spent they can vote those board members out and get new ones in. This is impossible to do to some blue haired weirdo who works at the DOE in Washington DC.
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:03 am to East Coast Band
Show me any empirical evidence that spending and staffing the DOE helps children’s learning.
Go ahead, i’ll wait.
Go ahead, i’ll wait.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:05 am to East Coast Band
How about you explain why DC is involved with the public education of my children in Pcola FL?
For all the billions spent what has improved in 50 years? Test scores, graduation levels, work force ready, common sense, prepped for college etc.
For all the billions spent what has improved in 50 years? Test scores, graduation levels, work force ready, common sense, prepped for college etc.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:25 am to East Coast Band
As for blue states . . any state be it red or blue that does NOT produce a better educated student, reading or otherwise, the Federal government s/stop any educational funding. You don't reward anyone for failure thus the point to eliminate a department that has resulted in lowering our ranking in comparison to other nations. Money always "talks" . . let's see how fast blue states "toe the mark" in order to continue the cash flow.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:30 am to BlueTiger23
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While I don’t think eliminating the DoE is the solution, we also need to have a serious, more nuanced conversation about education not being prioritized in this country, lack of parental involvement, whining, banning books (many of which we had to read in English and in summers btw), and teach these kids responsibility.
These two will be the most difficult to accomplish. You can lead someone to knowledge, but you can't make them think. Anything forced down their throats will get thrown up violently. I don't the answer.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:36 am to East Coast Band
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Explain how ridding of the DOE will help children's learning
How will continuing to do the same things help?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:37 am to East Coast Band
I’d rather you explain your obvious position of wanting to keep a bloated program that statistics show does not work.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:40 am to East Coast Band
Dear OP,
Please explain how keeping the DOE will help children's learning. You can't say more money, more teachers or more administration because we've continued to add those since it's inception and kids are dumber than ever. So, please, explain with something new and innovative(but not communist-y).
Please explain how keeping the DOE will help children's learning. You can't say more money, more teachers or more administration because we've continued to add those since it's inception and kids are dumber than ever. So, please, explain with something new and innovative(but not communist-y).
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:42 am to East Coast Band
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I'm not talking about less federal dollars of waste, I'm trying to understand how states' control over education will improve the students' learning.
You answered yourself.
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I can understand where no longer schools will be forced to teach project 1619 stuff, etc.
The DOE was never meant to be this massive control mechanism, but rather mainly a flowthrough for funds to be disseminated out to schools equally across the country. Over time, the DOE has tied more and more requirements (which encroach more and more) to that funding. This was sent into overdrive when Obama's Education head, Arne Duncan, sent out his infamous "Dear Colleagues" letter. That set up an environment where the DOE started dictating how schools should handle behavior issues (essentially: empathize more, discipline less) and that they expected the results to be what they want (or else they would investigate the school and would find something for which they could bring formal action).
This lead to things like teachers being forced to counsel with an unruly student multiple times (despite the level of unruliness, for the most part) before sending them to the principal's office. Most of the time the principal would lecture them then send them back to class (so as to not make discipline stats too high).
Read the book: Why Meadow Died, it's sadly eye-opening as to the cause/effect of DOE policies allowed to run wild with zero accountability (just so "leaders" don't have to admit they were ever wrong).
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:45 am to SPEEDY
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by SPEEDY
Anything more recent than 12 year old data?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:56 am to udtiger
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The restrictions placed on schools by the DOE, and the battalion of staff and administrators [district and school level] required for compliance, are counterproductive to educating kids.
The end.
Exactly. This includes all the unfunded mandates that are found in bills like "No Child Left Behind", and the more recent "Every Student Succeeds Act". It's a behemoth that just bloats the system even more.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:15 am to BigPerm30
the free market does produce a better education
just not an affordable one for most families.
just not an affordable one for most families.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:16 am to SammyTiger
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the free market does produce a better education
Where have you seen evidence of this? Just curious.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:19 am to 4cubbies
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Where have you seen evidence of this? Just curious.
Where did Obama send his kids while in office? Why?
Where do affluent people send their kids in urban areas? Public or private?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:24 am to 4cubbies
New Orleans. You can definitely get a better education at a private school than a public school.
There are outliers for both, but on average it definitely true.
the question is can the free market provide good affordable education to everyone.
There are outliers for both, but on average it definitely true.
the question is can the free market provide good affordable education to everyone.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:38 pm to East Coast Band
States will have direct control over education. That’s both a potential good and bad thing but it’s necessary. States will be able to allocate spending and set standards for the basics of the education. If a state wants to spend money on just a basic solid foundation they can. If a state wants to break up systems into babysitters and education it can.
Imagine a school system that provides an education based on merit
Imagine a school system that provides an education based on merit
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:46 pm to East Coast Band
It may not. Still need to get rid of it. Let states pay for it
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
I don't know where the OP lives, but here our county school board members are directly elected. If it's a city school system, they are appointed by the ELECTED mayor. DOE is just another EXPENSIVE bureaucracy that gets between the taxpayer and their child's education. A portion of our tax dollars are sent to Washington where someone decides education policy for a school system in Albany, GA.
Get rid of the DOE, distribute the tax dollars that have been allocated to the DOE budget, and dispense directly to the States. More funding directly to schools by eliminating a massive department that makes decisions concerning what your kid is allowed to eat in the elementary cafeteria.
You can have the best school board in the country, but they are still controlled, due to funding, by some bureaucrat in Washington.
Get rid of the DOE, distribute the tax dollars that have been allocated to the DOE budget, and dispense directly to the States. More funding directly to schools by eliminating a massive department that makes decisions concerning what your kid is allowed to eat in the elementary cafeteria.
You can have the best school board in the country, but they are still controlled, due to funding, by some bureaucrat in Washington.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:55 pm to East Coast Band
ANYTHING the federal government is involved in is inherently made worse.
On top of that, the more layers or levels in any process only causes it to be less effective.
Additionally, the founding fathers never intended on the federal government to have as much power
as it has today. Each state was intended to be its own sovereign state. The attack on state sovereignty began with the Civil War and has continued to this day.
On top of that, the more layers or levels in any process only causes it to be less effective.
Additionally, the founding fathers never intended on the federal government to have as much power
as it has today. Each state was intended to be its own sovereign state. The attack on state sovereignty began with the Civil War and has continued to this day.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 12:56 pm to East Coast Band
I think you first have to show how the DOE has had a positive affect upon the education of kids for anyone to actually place a value upon the DOE as being invaluable to education.
I haven’t see anything yet.
I haven’t see anything yet.
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