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re: Executive Order expected to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:36 am to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:36 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Just doesn't seem.like his message resonates with half the country anymore
Smaller government/less spending resonates with a lot less than half the country.
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:37 am to Kjnstkmn
I think some of these EOs are to force the judiciary to address and rule on some of the BS every administration does when they take power.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Smaller government/less spending resonates with a lot less than half the country.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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We can't. That's what I keep bringing up.
I'm vehemntly on your side here.
The text of the 14th were about the only thing Baier and I ever agreed about during my time at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Where in the language of the 14A is that stated?
I’m referring to an amendment process.
According to the constitution, you’re also supposed to follow federal laws.
This loophole of birthright citizenship for people that illegally cross the border while about to give labor has to be stopped.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:44 am to Deuces
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According to the constitution, you’re also supposed to follow federal laws.
That's not in there. The Constitution doesn't create any laws, especially criminal, it establishes the structures and framework of how the government is run.
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This loophole of birthright citizenship for people that illegally cross the border while about to give labor has to be stopped.
Sounds like what CBP is there to do.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Illegals are subject to the jurisdiction of the US/states
What that historically meant in the 1860s relative to the issues of citizenship and immigration is what matters.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:51 am to Kjnstkmn
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Executive Order expected today to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants
The same people who are able to find gun laws, abortion, sexual destruction of children, gay marriage, etc etc in The Constitution are going to fight this tooth and nail. Bank it.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:52 am to SquatchDawg
Senator Howard concerning his insertion of the Citizenship Clause:
“I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.“
“I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.“
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
With this line of thinking any criminal outside the US (Assange) who the US decides to prosecute can be considered a citizen since they are subject to our jurisdiction?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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protecting our rights.
Our? How are illegals, non citizens, supposed to be considered “our?”
Our rights are protected. Every person in the country (even those born abroad) that are born to LEGAL American citizens are protected.
The word you are looking for is for is “their.” You want to protect THEIR rights.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:00 am to SquatchDawg
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Isn’t that guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution?
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.
Except for Native Americans. They weren't granted US citizenship until after women were allowed to vote. Now tell me why they weren't allowed citizenship even though they were all born within the US. So you think that all people within this world ,other than Native Americans, has this right granted to them?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
I was talking about kings message
But carry on
But carry on
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:02 am to SquatchDawg
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Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.
Yeah but so does the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, and that gets argued all the time.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Were the parents subject to the jurisdiction of our laws?
While they're here illegally? Not until they're caught.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:07 am to Deuces
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I’m referring to an amendment process.
Oh sorry. That would do it.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:08 am to Kjnstkmn
We love our EOs don't we folks 
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:10 am to Kjnstkmn
That’s not something that can be changed via EO. Headed to the courts then a battle in congress.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:10 am to udtiger
In the 1860s we didn’t have the government handing out free healthcare, free food, free money for free loaders. People of that time who immigrated were expected to take care of themselves. They were not the drain to the rest of society that todays illegal aliens are.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:12 am to udtiger
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What that historically meant in the 1860s relative to the issues of citizenship and immigration is what matters.
Not at all. Especially for people like Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch.
It's the same today, also. Diplomats (the true subject of the phrase) are still not subject to US/state jurisdiction. This "historical" argument fails here as well.
Also, do we expect them to rule that illegals who commit crimes can't be prosecuted?
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