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re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:33 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:33 am to squid_hunt
quote:
The government is being rewarded right now for allowing drugs to perpetuate while illegal
Prohibition has never worked, will never work.
You can try it a million more times and it will not work. The Conservative approach was never to keep pushing failed policy.
The government does not protect you from anything, it cannot protect you, that's 100% up to you.
Every authoritarian measure you folks push, will end up being used against you. That's what you seriously need to consider.
The progressives didn't change the country by legislation, they changed it through language and culture.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 7:35 am
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:21 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Okay, as that is not true,
Then you should be able to quote me and explain why. I’m not interested in defending what you claim I believe, but I can easily defend what I’ve actually said.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:44 am to Flats
quote:They are one in the same. At least as far as is discernible.
I’m not interested in defending what you claim I believe, but I can easily defend what I’ve actually said.
So perhaps the next step is to clear up the mystery. Do you support blue laws, anti-marijuana laws, anti-prostitution laws, seat belt laws, etc. If so, why?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:35 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
They are one in the same
Then quote me and explain why what I actually said is irrational.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:51 pm to Flats
quote:I did. You said you didn't want me to misstate your positions.
Then quote me and explain why what I actually said is irrational.
Clear up the mystery. Do you support blue laws, anti-marijuana laws, anti-prostitution laws, seat belt laws, etc. If so, why?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I did.
No you didn’t, you typed your own straw man. Post the quote you think is illogical.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:03 pm to Flats
You boys locked up in a damned o battle royale.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:12 pm to Flats
quote:No. I simply reiterated/quoted your statements.
No you didn’t, you typed your own straw man.
You attribute my position to "morality." I attribute it to personal rights. I have less interest in your assertion that nonconsensual activities are "rights." In circumstances of mutual consent limited to the consenting parties, I see no necessitation of government intrusion.
But I've stated my position.
Do you support blue laws, anti-marijuana laws, anti-prostitution laws, seat belt laws, etc. as many big government conservatives do? If so, why?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You attribute my position to "morality." I attribute it to personal rights.
But what do we use to determine what personal rights you have? I don't want to look at fat women in yoga pants at the public park but I don't have the right to prohibit fat women in yoga pants from the public park. I don't want to look at anybody having an orgy in the park and our society has decided that I DO have the right not to see that, so it's a prohibited activity. Can you explain the difference in a way that doesn't involve subjective values? Rights are determined by values; it's not as if they're a physical property of the universe. That's why different cultures bestow different rights.
I don't support any of those, but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:35 pm to Flats
quote:
I don't support any of those, but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making.
So you agree with my position, but just felt argumentative.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:44 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
So you agree with my position,
The fact that you think this conversation is about those (or any) specific laws just proves my earlier point. You’re just not a particularly deep thinker on this subject, which is fine. Most people aren’t.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:37 pm to the808bass
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Christian nationalism is my preference.
"let there be no doubt".
be the one who starts the party in your state.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:43 pm to Flats
quote:You are having a conversation with yourself.
The fact that you think this conversation is about those (or any) specific laws
I cited government insertion into issues in which all parties involved/observing are consenting participants. That was my conversation. Government sticking its nose into personal situations where (by that definition alone) it has no business was the sole point being made.
I see no reason or justification for the Feds/State to go there. You inserted morality-based law, which although a thing and perhaps worthy of discussion elsewhere, is not relevant to my critique.
You also attempted to personalize the discussion, when in fact, the conversation has nothing whatsoever to do with my morals or personal moral beliefs at all. To drive the issue home, I don't personally believe some of those consensual activities are particularly moral, safe, and/or personally desirable. Nonetheless, in one's own space as the saying goes, vivre et laisser vivre.
You introduced scenarios, including adult-child sex, in which mutual consent could not, and does not exist. Nonconsent vs consent is not a morality driven equation.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/23/22 at 4:02 pm to NC_Tigah
Gee, where are all the libertarians now?
Whatever happened to
Individual liberty - including the freedome to take drugs.
Small government.
Small taxes.
All this tract argues is for less liberty "as long as its for a good cause".
But that is not an intelectually honest point of view. Either liberty is good or it is not, it cannot be good or bad depending on the day of the week.
Where are all the libertarians that used to populate and even DOMINATE this message board, surely they cannot be on board with this?
Whatever happened to
Individual liberty - including the freedome to take drugs.
Small government.
Small taxes.
All this tract argues is for less liberty "as long as its for a good cause".
But that is not an intelectually honest point of view. Either liberty is good or it is not, it cannot be good or bad depending on the day of the week.
Where are all the libertarians that used to populate and even DOMINATE this message board, surely they cannot be on board with this?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 4:05 pm to Eurocat
quote:
Gee, where are all the libertarians now?
The left would like you to know that they would really appeciate if you continued to maintain a hands off approach to government while they rule the swamp uninhibited.
Sorry, bub. Rules changed. That's just what time it is
Posted on 10/23/22 at 4:15 pm to Eurocat
quote:
Where are all the libertarians that used to populate and even DOMINATE this message board, surely they cannot be on board with this?
A whole new world was brought into light right there in 2016. And it wasn’t and isn’t pretty and as hyperbolic as it might seem, “many if not most “traditional” rules and understandings and definitions and other foundational concepts were tossed on their head.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 4:16 pm to Eurocat
quote:Right.
Individual liberty - including the freedome to take drugs.
We can also have a reasonable conversation about addictive potential, and resultant cost and damage to society thereby justifying government intercession.
However, I don't see that POV justified with cannabis/THC. Especially not compared with ETOH.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 4:26 pm to Piney Flats
Individualist-Constitutional Principle has always protected the Individual from the 'Mob', in whatever form, Government or 'Gangs' of various character. The Left believes that throwing out Constitutional Principle via "mob rule" Democracy will empower their Authoritarian State rule. However, they make a serious and flawed assumption that it was only respect for Constitutional Principle that kept those who revered and respected such from slaughtering those who assaulted their personal freedoms via various forms of 'gang'/organized attack mechanisms.
Bottom line: once the gloves come off the Dems will rue the day they forsook Constitutional Equal Justice and Rule of Law toward believing such would end in quashing Trump and the MAGA Movement for political gain. "Sew the wind and reap the whirlwind". They bet on the wrong horse.
A Government that can give people everything, can take everything. Productive folk are beginning to understand this and what it will take to stop Authoritarian (Democratic) Government. And this Article is an accurate description of the coming 'Movement'. One which the almighty 'Government'/FBI/et al had damn well better be careful just which Side they come down hard for. Chain of Command can go down in a day. Picking the future 'ruling class' is not rocket science. Ask Hitler and Hirohito who kicked their asses. The genes are still there and the cream always rises to the top sooner or later. It's coming. The suicidal insanity and perversion has reached intolerable limits. Strap in.
Bottom line: once the gloves come off the Dems will rue the day they forsook Constitutional Equal Justice and Rule of Law toward believing such would end in quashing Trump and the MAGA Movement for political gain. "Sew the wind and reap the whirlwind". They bet on the wrong horse.
A Government that can give people everything, can take everything. Productive folk are beginning to understand this and what it will take to stop Authoritarian (Democratic) Government. And this Article is an accurate description of the coming 'Movement'. One which the almighty 'Government'/FBI/et al had damn well better be careful just which Side they come down hard for. Chain of Command can go down in a day. Picking the future 'ruling class' is not rocket science. Ask Hitler and Hirohito who kicked their asses. The genes are still there and the cream always rises to the top sooner or later. It's coming. The suicidal insanity and perversion has reached intolerable limits. Strap in.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 5:17 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:
The Left believes that throwing out Constitutional Principle via "mob rule" Democracy will empower their Authoritarian State rule.
Explain to me how this right-populism/Christian nationalism/fascism is any different.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:UV for the sentiment, but fascism?
Explain to me how this right-populism/Christian nationalism/fascism is any different.
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