re: Evangelicals and the GOP

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How many Evangelicals make up the GOP as a whole.

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I'm not sure anybody could possibly know the answer to this. How many African Americans make up the Democratic Party? Probably the most accurate answer to both of these questions is...a bunch.

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Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.

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Be specific. Which social issues are too strict for you?

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Are the Evangelicals a fringe Group. Could a GOP candidate win without them at a state or national level.

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Not a fringe group any more than calling African Americans a fringe group. Or Gays. Or any other minority group.

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Im not targeting anyone's? religion, but I believe in seperation of church and state. I don't believe in forcing religion on people?.

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Are you saying Evangelicals should not be allowed to vote? I mean, how is church and state NOT separated, right now?

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Which ironically (for Judaeo Christians following Abrahamic faiths) isn't what God wanted either.

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Then you do not know the Bible. (I am guessing since you addressed this to Evangelicals that was this point?) The Bible clearly tells Christians to "Go ye therefore to all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Those were the very last instructions Jesus gave to the disciples.

Further, I am confused about how Evangelicals are "forcing" religion on people....mind explaining?

Please, don't misunderstand...I have o problem with people disagreeing with me. I am just curious about how you have arrived at your conclusions.

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of course not the moooslims are gonna take over. we have to be christians so we don't become moooooslims :lol

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I'm sure most Europeans used to agree with your sentiment.

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Go drive in the ghetto. Would you rather more of that leeching off of our tax money and ruining our neighbohoods?

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They don't like you that much either

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Democrats are much more strict on social issues.

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In their own ways - yup.

Lots of people on both sides trying to dictate how people should lead their lives

One of them screams small government ideals though and it sure is frustrating when they refuse to follow those principles due to a mythological guy in the sky or worry about people that don't look like them. It's alienating to a lot of folks as the OP notes

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I'm not sure anybody could possibly know the answer to this. How many African Americans make up the Democratic Party? Probably the most accurate answer to both of these questions is...a bunch.

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I should have been more specific. I meant if there was national election data in which people identified as evangelicals when voting. But your point still stands, because polls do not always reflect the true intentions of their demographics.

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Be specific. Which social issues are too strict for you?

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Living with your domestic partner before marriage and worrying about an abitrary time limt where the state considers you married.

Leaving the homosexual marriage issue alone

Get rid of alimony for either side during divorce settlements.

Legalization of Cannabis or other drugs that do not have proven fatality rate for users of over 10%

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Not a fringe group any more than calling African Americans a fringe group. Or Gays. Or any other minority group.

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I get your argument. I only wanted to know if the percentage was vastly encompassing, like 45% of the active voting GOP.

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Are you saying Evangelicals should not be allowed to vote? I mean, how is church and state NOT separated, right now?

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On a general political level, the state and church are separate. I think the problem is that a lot of evangelical-backed lobbyists push for laws which will suit their interests and not the US as a whole. To be fair, Democrats have a lot of this going on as well. So it's more a lobbying control issue than anything else.

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Then you do not know the Bible. (I am guessing since you addressed this to Evangelicals that was this point?) The Bible clearly tells Christians to "Go ye therefore to all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Those were the very last instructions Jesus gave to the disciples. Further, I am confused about how Evangelicals are "forcing" religion on people....mind explaining?

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I grew up hearing and reading those same verses. However, I was always taught that God wanted man to come to him on his own accord, otherwise it had no meaning. As christians we seek to bring people to Christ, but through fellowship and understanding. I dont think doing it at the edge of a sword or the barrel of a gun was the true intent. Its just that Man always forces his will upon others for millenia.

I can go into way more historical and religious detail, but I dont want to smother the argument. All I am saying that people should live as they please as long as it doesnt endanger anyone or destroy personal and state property.

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Is Buddhism a religion? Are Buddhists generally moral people. Answer: No, Yes.

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Dumb Chrustians say "Christianity isn't a religion,". Apparently that stupidity isn't restricted to Christianity. Buddhism is obviously. a religion.

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Abortion, gay rights and marijuana legalization would probably be the 3 hot button ones that scare off a lot of the younger folks that want small government conservatism.

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well i don't like any of those things, you should probably remain a democrat.

i would also point out that being against gay rights, pot, and abortion has won us 31 state legislatures, 33 governorship's, the house, the senate, and the white house. being for those things has left the democrats in the worse shape they've been in since the 1920's and on the precipice of losing the supreme court for 30 years.

but hey thanks for your interest and feel free to enjoy the punch and the cookies

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i would also point out that being against gay rights, pot, and abortion has won us 31 state legislatures, 33 governorship's, the house, the senate, and the white house. being for those things has left the democrats in the worse shape they've been in since the 1920's and on the precipice of losing the supreme court for 30 years.

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I think that we have to look at this in context of the demographics who vote and the current state of affairs regarding social norms.

The problem is that the last administration went over the top catering to fringes and the voters responded by deposing them. But to be fair, just because people rebel does not mean their political leanings totally shift. I think Trump could still lose the next election, for example, if he doesn't keep up his promises on coal jobs or healthcare reform.

I don't have anything against electoral college and thinks we had a fair election. However it is pretty telling that such a large percentage of people do care about those issues you mentioning and that only state lines pushed the candidate over and not pure numbers.

If I were the GOP, I would really do everything to keep the political promises I made in order to prevent a "flip blue" situation from happening.

trump never campaigned on legalizing weed. said nothing about homo's and ran as a pro-lifer.

his appointment of jeff session told you every thing you needed to know, but hey thanks for your concern.