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re: Elon and Vivek are right to point out the cultural factors in the visa issue

Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:51 pm to
No one asked for your apology dbag. really is funny reading how much of a loon you are.

Keep it up. It makes me smile thinking how you are such a tool that you'd call Nikki Haley a racist for having similar views as me.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23097 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:55 pm to


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It makes me smile thinking how you are such a tool that you'd call Nikki Haley a racist for having similar views as me.


Link me the post where she hates the Jeets for being brown. Or for being Jeets. And you aspiring to be like the grifter Niki Haley is almost as disgusting as you being racist.

Now frick off, racist.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5651 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:59 pm to
Where have I said "I hated jeets for being brown"?

You've really twisted some crazy stuff in that head of yours. You need a wellness check.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25022 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:01 pm to
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Today, there is no social stigma to government handouts or community appreciation for doing the opposite. If we want to get back to our countries Puritan hardworking roots then we are going to have to remove the carrot being dangled by our government. Our government, we, make it too easy to be lazy. We incentivize a lot of the behavior we see today. Hunger is a great motivator as is social pressure.

Stop praising lazy and start punishing it.


It’s crazy that this got a downvote.

It may be unfashionable to say, but Lee Kwan Yew was right when he said he couldn’t understand how the fear of negative outcomes was not regarded as a powerful motivator for achievement.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5679 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:04 pm to
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See, now this is how actual racism gets confused by facts. Facts are not racist. They are simple truth.


Says every racist ever.

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It literally does. No legitimate scientist on earth believes otherwise, but you have been shamed into believing that whites are racist for believing that is true. Even though whites are FAR from the most intelligent ethnic group. The BEST scientific evidence is that about 30% or so of the IQ gap is environmental. Well more than half of IQ differences are attributed to genetics.


You are reading the same people that Lima Whisky reads. You are at least as racist as he is.

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It's pathetic that legitimate science has been branded racist. I can accept that white people are innately less intelligent on average than Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians. Liberals believe that we are all literally equal. AND WE ARE NOT.

We are literally equal as human beings. By the time we reach age, we have vastly different capabilities none of which boil down neatly into IQ which is a made up measure that correlates stupid well with income and culture.

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IQ is real. It is demonstrable. It is calculable. It is literally one of the most studied and impregnable scientific theories, and they have made you believe it's fake. This is at the center of everything the left believes that racial differences are only because of racism. Literal critical theory, and you support it.


It's a model predicting itself, nothing more.

Every Human brain has way more compute power than we use. The childhood brain is taught to learn. Do you think doing well on an IQ test is a hardware problem for the brain? Ridiculous!

Why do you think Rich people send their kids to elite schools?
Because they know that education is everything.

I'll do you one better.
One could take any child of any race and turn them into a physicist with enough effort.

But that would require putting them in the right environment.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35306 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:05 pm to
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My company had a high demand for skilled trades in diesel engines, hydraulics, welding, and controls.

Almost impossible to find anybody with those skills in these towns

That sucks, and is sad to hear.

I'm in a tiny town (<3k) in central OK, and probably 30% of working age men in this town have tenured experience in at least two of the four trades you listed. You bounce around some as a young hand and tend to pick up the basics and nomenclature of the specific jobs, and most guys find their niche that way.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35635 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:12 pm to
I must be missing why this issue suddenly exploded in the last ten days.

Seems like a blatant attempt by the media and the left to drive a wedge in the GOP, and judging from what I read here, its working.

Nothing is changing about the H1B program in the short term, nor should it. It is nowhere near the top of the priority list. Attacking it is a political and logistical nightmare.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26008 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:15 pm to
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Do you know why Indians are such a hot button issue with the people who are looking at race (lots of this board) in the H1B issue? Because H1B Indians are the single most successful ethnic group in America.

The reason that there are so many Indians coming is that, among certain ethnic groups IQs and educational attainment are extremely high. They are not convenience store and hotel owners. These are the people we recruit. They are also the only people out of 1.8 billion that Indian tech companies want. Despite the huge demand in India, those tach office environments (not support, lol) are often cutthroat.

he reason that these particular Indians apply so frequently is that WE DO NOT COMPETE. Ask them honestly, and the will be completely frank in telling you that most Americans simply do not have the will to put in the work to excel. They are paid infinitely better than in India and advancement is fricking easy for them. It's the same for the Koreans and Chinese parents who push their kids to success. Asian income in the US is double black income and nearly 130% of white income, and they have almost zero crime.


This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23097 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:21 pm to
[I didn't realize you were an actual critical theorist.

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You are reading the same people that Lima Whisky reads. You are at least as racist as he is.



I stated facts. You don't like them.

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We are literally equal as human beings. By the time we reach age, we have vastly different capabilities none of which boil down neatly into IQ which is a made up measure that correlates stupid well with income and culture.



This is laughably false. G loaded tests eliminate any bias. The results are literally unassailable by any current science.

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t's a model predicting itself, nothing more.

Every Human brain has way more compute power than we use. The childhood brain is taught to learn. Do you think doing well on an IQ test is a hardware problem for the brain? Ridiculous!

Why do you think Rich people send their kids to elite schools?
Because they know that education is everything.

I'll do you one better.
One could take any child of any race and turn them into a physicist with enough effort.

But that would require putting them in the right environment.


This is critical theory, and it's laughed at by real scientists. We've tried this ad nauseum and failed. UCLA medical school is in crisis because of it.

I will be happy to provide you with actual scientific studies proving genetic correlation. There are literally no serious studies contradicting it. Every single one starts with the basic fallacy that every human is the same, and that is laughably stupid.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23097 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:23 pm to
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I must be missing why this issue suddenly exploded in the last ten days.


Elon said we should bring in smart people.

Stupid people panicked.
Posted by theballguy
Between Colorado & DC
Member since Oct 2011
29110 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:23 pm to
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I get that there is a built in challenge to find the people we are looking for, but it just boggles my mind how many people reach full adulthood and have invested NOTHING in themselves to develop marketable skills.


A lot of that technophobe mindset that contributes to this very problem is here on these very boards.

Nonetheless, our American citizens are a lot more capable than business owners like to publicly say. A lot of business owners just don't want to spend the fair amount of money for them.

I'd happily hire an American over a Habeeb for any job, any day.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:26 pm to
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My company had a high demand for skilled trades in diesel engines, hydraulics, welding, and controls.

Almost impossible to find anybody with those skills in these towns, so we knew we had to invest years in training and developing noobs and hope to keep them.have

It was depressing AF to put job postings out there and get almost nothing but laborers and restaurant staff, and most of these being 30+ years old. I mean, I get that there is a built in challenge to find the people we are looking for, but it just boggles my mind how many people reach full adulthood and have invested NOTHING in themselves to develop marketable skills. (Our most reliable demographic was young farmer kids.)


I work in those fields. People have stopped going into those fields for ovbiouse reasons. You would be stupid to go into those fields because of the instability, lack of job security, migrants taking the jobs, and poor working conditions that I have described in countless posts. Biden killed the oil and gas industry, and nearly everyone I know has been unemployed, except the hispanics being brought in. These have been the worst four years I have ever had.

We endlessly see posting like this, and I can say that they are totally untrue. These industries are terrible and are run by nepotism. They want disposable people that they can treat like a slave, that they can hire and get rid of whenever they choose, for a very low price. If you want good people, maybe you should make the working conditions better, and try to increase the stability. Bringing people is only going to increase the instability.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23097 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:31 pm to
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They want disposable people that they can treat like a slave, that they can hire and get rid of whenever they choose,


This is literally the opposite of what most people who have used H1Bs want. That's why the visa gets 6 years. They are PRAYING for that kind of stability from a tech employee.

This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26008 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:33 pm to
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A lot of business owners just don't want to spend the fair amount of money for them.


That's exactly what its about. They default to the "Americans are lazy and entitled and dumb" excuse because in reality they don't want to pay fair market rates for American employees.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25022 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:34 pm to
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We endlessly see posting like this, and I can say that they are totally untrue.


Well, then, I guess the last 10 years I’ve spent fighting this battle in the Great Lakes was all my imagination. I had no idea that I just had to appeal to the boatloads of Hispanics in bumfrick Wisconsin.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23097 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:36 pm to
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Well, then, I guess the last 10 years I’ve spent fighting this battle in the Great Lakes was all my imagination. I had no idea that I just had to appeal to the boatloads of Hispanics in bumfrick Wisconsin.


Facts don't matter to these guys.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26814 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:37 pm to
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We are literally equal as human beings.


Laughably and demonstrably false.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294600 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:38 pm to
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I'd happily hire an American over a Habeeb for any job, any day.


I'd hire anyone else before this..

Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:38 pm to
This is a previous comment that I posted about Musk, where I describe what it's like to work in this field:

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Musk claims the United States does not have nearly enough engineers so a massive increase in H1B is needed. So much for putting Americans first


Man, this guy is an idiot, just like most of the people running things today. He is clueless about the problems affecting industry.

We don't need H1B migrants to find talent. We need to manage the workforce better and start promoting people by merit instead of nepotism/cronyism. This is happening all across America. I know this because I work in industry. We have bosses that has never worked in the industries they are supervising. How can they lead anything or anyone? This alone has caused motivation to be lost in the workforce. Imagine being 50 years old and having a boss that's 25, because he is somebody's nephew, and knowing that you will probably never have the chance to move up. I deal with this all the time. Then, every good idea that this kid supervisor comes up with actually, came from you, yet, he makes his boss think that it was his idea.

Unions have been destroyed and labor laws protecting workers rights don't exist, which is another thing that is destroying workforce moral. Usually, it's the best and the brightest that are first to get fired. The boss wants to get anyone off the job that knows more than him, because he is a threat to his job.

America, and most of the world has plenty of geniuses. Many consider the top 2% of the population with the highest IQ to be geniuses. Yet, most geniuses only perform a little above average in the workforce. Why is this, if corporations and CEO's like Musk want geniuses? Its because people in the workforce aren't being promoted by merit.


These American buisnessmen want a slave, a yes man, and somebody the he can blame all of his mistakes on. The fact that people aren't going in to this field should tell you something wrong with it.

I talked to a personal manager for one of these companies recently that said he came in to work one Monday and he had 20 termination slips sitting on his desk, most for petty reasons. Then he wondered where we can get more people?These industries are a nightmare to work in.
Posted by Candyman
Member since Sep 2017
641 posts
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:40 pm to
I think I misread the post. it sounded like you were trying to defend bringing in boatloads of migrants. I'm not sure exactly what point you are trying to make.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 4:47 pm
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