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re: Elon and Vivek are right to point out the cultural factors in the visa issue
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:26 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:26 pm to wackatimesthree
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On the other hand, employing only American workers means that American consumers will pay more for products, which is also not good for the economy or the country as a whole.
Those of you who try to make this about "being greedy" always ignore that.
Look, I think that sovereign nations have the right and the obligation to control who comes into the country legally, and I consider limiting foreign workers to give American citizens more opportunity a valid reason. IMO that is a legitimate "promote the general welfare" action. Because not doing so has negative economic, cultural, social, and criminal implications for American citizens. I agree with you about that.
Protectionist economic policies designed to force American companies to stay in country are a different matter. That's a net loss.
I like that you distilled it simply to protectionism. His argument wasn't very coherent.
I'd like to point out that we DO limit the number of people we bring in except for those who have been allowed to enter the country illegally. And it's been an overall very good limit. We keep about 600k of them on payrolls at any given moment, and that hasn't changed in a number of years. It really doesn't warrant the handwringing that Elon's throwaway comment caused.
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:38 pm to Wolfwireless
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Can you honestly deny that some of the IQ score doesn't come from education? In the form of training the brain.
No. Not seriously. But it accounts for maybe 30% of adult IQ. (Yes, I can support that, but there are also arguments for other quantification, and even those who say environment is all that matters. Much less support for that)
IQ is really indicative of the ability to learn and interpret, and less so the ability to display knowledge. The act of learning by itself helps train the brain to learn, and will lead to higher IQs, but genetics weigh even more heavily.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:41 pm to Geauxgurt
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I am a minority and this is the stupidest shite I have heard yet. This has nothing to do with prejudice.
Thank you.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:21 pm to RelicBatches86
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the motivated smart kids in those poor areas leave as soon as possible because they realize there's no opportunities and less employees around compared to the cities. they get bigger buck for their buck somewhere else. its hard to educate good ones and even harder to keep them around.
Another benefit of work from home. These kids can now bring money into their small towns instead of having to move away and watch them die.
People against work from home are only forcing everyone into large cities where it's much easier to control everyone.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:24 pm to Evolved Simian
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No. Not seriously. But it accounts for maybe 30% of adult IQ. (Yes, I can support that, but there are also arguments for other quantification, and even those who say environment is all that matters. Much less support for that)
IQ is really indicative of the ability to learn and interpret, and less so the ability to display knowledge. The act of learning by itself helps train the brain to learn, and will lead to higher IQs, but genetics weigh even more heavily.
I know you've been fighting with people the over this. I'm glad we found some middle ground where we agree.
A side note from curiosity. When did you start working on your child's mental development? I'm thinking about what they have to say as far as starting it as early as possible.
I'm also asking, thinking a long the lines of positive parenting when I ask how much interaction your child has as far as electronic devices (phones, tablets, TV) during their prime development stages?
I have another question too, but I don't like to bombard questions, or make people write books. So I'll get to that one after you respond, if you would like to.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:42 pm to Evolved Simian
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This we can definitely agree on. As long as facts don't get confused by stereotypes. Not saying that you did that. Just saying that some people don't know who they are talking about, and are going off stereotypes.
You can use averages without stereotyping.
You can even stereotype without being racist.
You can't be like Nexrad and say genetics are racist. It's as dumb as being an actual racist.
Yeah like I said, I wasn't saying that you were doing it.
And a lot of stereotypes are based off high percentages of fact. Such as the stereotype about Asians being bad drivers. Anybody who wants to argue that one, can ride with my Korean mother to learn it's true for some of them, lol.
Some people have become too sensitive about what they consider racism. And claim a lot of things that aren't, are.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:19 am to Evolved Simian
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That magical thinking is not how any of this works. That's almost as wrong as the Nexrad guy.
You don't get extra abilities because you aren't smart. That's what we tell people to help their self esteem. It's not a real thing
I'm not saying that. Quite the opposite, really. I'm not talking about stupid people.
Let's completely phase out anybody who is not considered genius level IQ. Now, let's take Einstein for example since most of us know of him. Obviously, a scientific genius. Absolutely terrible interacting with people.
It's a trait that I see, quite a bit. In one form or another. It seems to me like an imbalance.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 12:21 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:27 am to Evolved Simian
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Because we promote identity over merit. Except where minorities are overrepresented, like athletics and entertainment, then we only reward merit.
And that only applies to the correct minorities. Asians being overrepresented in STEM professions is also somehow discriminatory to black people.
What we really do is punish high IQ groups because it is somehow racist that they are different genetically.
Literally the only part that I'd disagree with is the entertainment industry being a meritocracy.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 2:58 am to Wolfwireless
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I know you've been fighting with people the over this
Yes, people on the internet being dicks to each other is always on the menu.
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When did you start working on your child's mental development? I'm thinking about what they have to say as far as starting it as early as possible.
Absolutely start young.
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I'm also asking, thinking a long the lines of positive parenting when I ask how much interaction your child has as far as electronic devices (phones, tablets, TV) during their prime development stages?
Well, they're grown, so I don't monitor that as much as I used to.
They did watch television, but the duration was limited. They were allowed to read (almost) anything they wanted from the moment they were able. Those formative years predated smartphones and Miss Rachel. ETA - And my flip phone wasn't of much interest.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 3:04 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:00 am to Wolfwireless
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I'm not saying that. Quite the opposite, really. I'm not talking about stupid people.
Yep. I misunderstood you completely. And thanks for the primer.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:49 am to tiggerthetooth
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You don't get to stomp your feet and use the 3rd world shite holes to undercut your fellow countrymen for your benefit.
But you can, and you should be able to.
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Just say you don't give a frick about Americans and just want cheap controllable labor and nothing else matters.
He's literally creating potential jobs for Americans
Take this leftist bullshite to DU
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:50 am to tiggerthetooth
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Where will they go?
The world is a big place and we're not the only one with an advanced economy.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:54 am to wackatimesthree
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Well, it's out of the populist playbook.
Populism drifts into Leftism. You're arguing what I've said about Trump and MAGA since 2016.
People are just finally admitting it.
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That's what populism is...at least practically speaking. Voting for what benefits or appeals to you personally without regard for any consistent or underlying principles.
And this is going to drift into leftism almost as a rule b/c leftism is easier than non-Leftism. Personal responsibility and hard work is harder than having daddy government protect you. Always has been, and that's why the DEMs have been the natural ally for labor since at least the New Deal.
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You can't put all your eggs in the populism basket and then cry when the populists you elect act like populists.
It's kind of like the racism that's emerged in this debate. I only ask the same of "populists"
If a person is promoting Leftism, they should not be permitted to hide behind the term "populism". They need to admit they're promoting Leftism outwardly or that they're being dishonest.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:55 am to Wolfwireless
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So assuming that the general population greatly outnumbers the 115+ IQ members then that's just simply the law of averages
The comment was intended to be proportionate representation within each cohort.
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With a score of 120+, doesn't that give us the egotism of thinking we are always right? Or usually right?
laughs in Imposter Syndrome
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Populism drifts into Leftism. You're arguing what I've said about Trump and MAGA since 2016.
Yeah, but they called it "conservative populism". That should have been enough to ward off human nature.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:59 am to Flats
Should have stuck with "compassionate conservatism" I guess
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:09 am to Evolved Simian
Too much to copy and paste for a post since this is getting long.
First, I laughed about what you added in about the flip phone. Yeah other than pushing buttons and making sounds, those were all that interesting for a child.
But yeah, valid point about the time differences of tech from when our kids were young, vs now.
We can chalk that up to oversight on my part.
I think the reading really helps out significantly. More so if it's educational materials. Or stuff that leads them towards educational curiosity. But yes it definitely helps.
Break is almost over. Gotta get back to work.
First, I laughed about what you added in about the flip phone. Yeah other than pushing buttons and making sounds, those were all that interesting for a child.
But yeah, valid point about the time differences of tech from when our kids were young, vs now.
We can chalk that up to oversight on my part.
I think the reading really helps out significantly. More so if it's educational materials. Or stuff that leads them towards educational curiosity. But yes it definitely helps.
Break is almost over. Gotta get back to work.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 5:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Populism drifts into Leftism. You're arguing what I've said about Trump and MAGA since 2016.
People are just finally admitting it.
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That's what populism is...at least practically speaking. Voting for what benefits or appeals to you personally without regard for any consistent or underlying principles.
And this is going to drift into leftism almost as a rule b/c leftism is easier than non-Leftism. Personal responsibility and hard work is harder than having daddy government protect you. Always has been, and that's why the DEMs have been the natural ally for labor since at least the New Deal.
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You can't put all your eggs in the populism basket and then cry when the populists you elect act like populists.
It's kind of like the racism that's emerged in this debate. I only ask the same of "populists"
If a person is promoting Leftism, they should not be permitted to hide behind the term "populism". They need to admit they're promoting Leftism outwardly or that they're being dishonest.
I don't disagree, and have said so myself many times.
The original populist revolutionary was Karl Marx. If there is a clearer example of someone preaching the Elite vs the Common Citizen, I don't know of it.
Sure. Populism is inherently collectivism and I wouldn't say someone was wrong for equating it with Marxism on a fundamental level.
Which is why I often point out that today's "conservatives" talk almost exactly like the Carter-era Democrats I grew up around, and I also predict that in 20-years or so they will have "progressed" to the point that they sound like Clinton/Obama when they were campaigning against each other in 2008.
I don't know that they will ever apply Marxism to social issues like the Western left has done—at least not the same iterations of them. I don't see the emergence of the same sort of hierarchy of victimhood, for example. The right's victimhood chart will look more like White People vs Everyone Else.
But coming around to arguing vehemently for unions? Absolutely.
Arguing for things like "the government fixing health care?" Already happening.
Arguing for the government making rich people and corporations "pay their fair share?" Not a doubt in my mind.
Once someone in office is finally forced to confront the fact that SS/Medicare is simply not sustainable, arguing for higher taxes and/or increasing the tax base with immigration so as to prop it up so that people can "get their own money back?" If you could make people here admit the first part of that (the unsustainable nature of the programs), they'd vote for the latter right now.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 6:26 am to Ag Zwin
I agree. White folk got a lot of depth in the retard department as well.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:06 am to tketaco
We can never compete with countries that haven’t figured out plumbing
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