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re: Elon and Gracias- the number of noncitizens with SS#s and benefits

Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:17 am to
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4684 posts
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:17 am to
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I sure want to see specifics on the ones that voted.


They all voted by mail, but none of them know they did.

2020 will be laid bare. Now, those lemmings that still wear masks won't believe it, but they will show you just how a candidate got 81 plus million votes by never leaving his house.
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2621 posts
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:28 am to
No, I do not wish for any of this but I'm not a dk rider for any party or anyone, including Trump. Seems foolish to me. I'm still not and will never be happy with Trump's role with c19 injections, father of the vax ... that he still touts as a major achievement. They're not, they're poison and people are still dying to find out every single day, or being diagnosed with a long list of shite. Plausible deniability built in of course fours years out now.
It's entirely possible our enslavement will be ushered in under the flag, but again, I hope not. Time will tell. It also bothers me that practically our entire government has divided loyalties.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7935 posts
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:47 am to
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mmigrants with a permanent resident card, known as a green card Refugees People granted asylum


Except in real life the process works like this- come here for temporary work or get a travel visa to visit a relative and then go to Miami and get a lawyer to file your asylum claim - never a hearing

Get SS number and Fla drivers license

Go live your life and never have your asylum claim heard

I've seen it at least a dozen times
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
1815 posts
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:28 pm to
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Gotta press pause here. That's a great sentiment, and I acknowledge where you're coming from, but unfortunately that's not accurate.

We have a constitutional right for electors to be appointed from our home states. Bush v. Gore (2000) had a SCOTUS ruling that clarified that there is no constitutional right to vote as the popular misconception holds.

States must appoint electors. The Constitution is silent on how those appointment are made. It happens that each of the 50 states holds what we assume are democratic popular votes, and the electors are awarded to the winner, but it's not outlined explicitly in the Constitution that it must be done that way.


OK, good point, I understand it's the EC, and States determine the process for that. But...

we have the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. Each of those expresses the "right to vote". Doesn't that make it a Constitutional right (not the original Constitution, but as amended)?

I guess you can read that as States cannot discriminate against voters in those classes, w/o actually giving anyone the right to vote? Strikes me as a little too much parsing of the language, but I won't say it's wrong either.

Either way, I'm impressed by how concise those amendments are. Each one is two sentences, the 2nd is 'boilerplate', "The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.", and that's it. Not like those 1,800 page bills filled with pork and carve-outs!
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
26733 posts
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:42 pm to
The sneak in, get welfare payments and even get to vote. WTF? The rest of us are working like smucks. All we need to do is pretend we are undocumented and say we’ll vote blue. Live for free.
Posted by BeefSupreme
Metairie
Member since Sep 2016
558 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:09 am to
Bump
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6585 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:53 am to
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People need to boycott taxes as they exist until the reform happens


Random question. How would the government know if you didn't pay taxes as a 1099 "consult?" Is that something they'd possibly not know? or does the hiring company still need to submit docs on that "non employee?"

Just trying to uncover possible breaches to help you out, Uncle Sam, in the thef...uh hmmmm. taxing scheme.
Posted by DefCon1
Member since Dec 2017
785 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 2:17 am to
People need to be executed for this crime against the American people.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2906 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 6:57 am to
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Gotta press pause here. That's a great sentiment, and I acknowledge where you're coming from, but unfortunately that's not accurate.


You’re not accurate either. Your reference only applies to presidential elections. House,Senate, state and local elections don’t use electoral votes.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 7:00 am
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75349 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:22 pm to
Those elections do not use electors, but they're also governed by individual state laws. We were talking about the myth of a US Constitution-based "right to vote".

SCOTUS has ruled on many "right to vote" cases, but always to ensure that state/local laws are applied fairly and that prospective voters are not discriminated against - never to provide a "right to vote" in federal elections.

From Grok:

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Yes, the U.S. Supreme Court has addressed the "right to vote" in several landmark cases, though the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly grant a positive right to vote in the same way it enumerates rights like free speech or bearing arms. Instead, the Court's rulings have often focused on protecting voting rights from discrimination, undue restriction, or denial, interpreting them through various constitutional amendments and principles.

One of the earliest significant cases is Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886), where the Court struck down a San Francisco ordinance that disproportionately disenfranchised Chinese-American voters, implying a protection of equal voting rights under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.
In Reynolds v. Sims (1964), the Court ruled that state legislative districts must be roughly equal in population ("one person, one vote"), grounding this in the Equal Protection Clause. Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote that "the right to vote freely for the candidate of one’s choice is of the essence of a democratic society." This decision reinforced voting as a fundamental right, though still not an absolute one.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 prompted further rulings. In South Carolina v. Katzenbach (1966), the Court upheld the Act’s constitutionality, affirming Congress’s power to enforce the 15th Amendment, which prohibits denying the right to vote based on race. Later, in Shelby County v. Holder (2013), the Court struck down a key provision of the Act requiring certain states to get federal approval for voting law changes, arguing it outdated, though it didn’t deny the underlying right.

Bush v. Gore (2000) is another pivotal case. The Court halted a Florida recount in the presidential election, citing equal protection concerns over inconsistent vote-counting standards. The decision effectively emphasized that voting rights, once granted by states, must be administered fairly.
The Court has also clarified limits. In Minor v. Happersett (1875), it ruled that suffrage isn’t an inherent right of citizenship, upholding a state’s denial of women’s voting (pre-19th Amendment). Similarly, felon disenfranchisement has been upheld, as in Richardson v. Ramirez (1974), where the Court found states could deny voting rights to convicted felons under the 14th Amendment’s Section 2.

So, while the Supreme Court has consistently treated voting as a fundamental right tied to democratic participation—protected against discrimination (15th Amendment), dilution (14th Amendment), or arbitrary barriers—it’s not an unlimited or inherent right of citizenship. States retain significant authority to regulate it, subject to constitutional guardrails.
Posted by Megasaurus
Member since Dec 2017
1392 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:25 pm to
Im not surprised given the state of our country these days but JFC this is pretty fricked up
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