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re: Ecumenism - Is it happening??
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:29 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:29 pm to grizzlylongcut
Well, for starters they are Jesuits......it's sort of dark Catholic humor, but it has a lot of relevance...even before "Liberation Theology" they've always operated a bit beyond their mandates . A lot of times whole groups have been excommunicated from the Church for disobeying the Pope himself. They were known as "The Pope's Men" supposedly doing the Pope's bidding.....but sometimes they didn't.
Episcopals....c'mon the Archbishop of Canterbury has ki n da said that the Church of England should not call itself a Church anymore
Episcopals....c'mon the Archbishop of Canterbury has ki n da said that the Church of England should not call itself a Church anymore
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:30 pm to bayoubengals88
As a run of the mill Catholic, ima add this to my ever-expanding list of things I don’t give a shite about.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:54 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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Also, transubstantiation was not official Catholic dogma until LanFranc pushed for it to become so in the 11th century.
If this were true, it would be reflected in the writings of the early church, both in the East and the West.
It's not. Real Presence of Christ was a fundamental block of Christian Theology until the Reformation and, chiefly, Zwingli. Nothing in Luther's theses refer to a disagreement about the Real Presence.
As for the Ecumenism, the real unity would be between the East and the West. The Protestants have created a new faith, with its own traditions and rites. The East and West have a greater chance to reunite.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:59 pm to bayoubengals88
Presbys and Prots will not entertain sacerdotalism.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:07 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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I haven’t read the full document you linked, but the quoted language does not, IMO, offer much hope of unity between Catholics and Protestants.
Yes, papal primacy is an obstacle to ecumenism, but it is not the primary obstacle. The doctrine of the sacraments, the method and process by which grace is conferred to men, the doctrine of justification, and the doctrine of sanctification are the primary obstacles.
Not even to mention issues such as exegesis, church governance, and canonical authority outside scriptures.
Ecumenism would be great, but these would be deal breakers for both sides.
That sounds really unnecessarily complicated.
Go atheist. You'll no longer have to concern yourself with such things.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:23 pm to Stinger_1066
quote:No thanks. We enjoy life more
Go atheist. You'll no longer have to concern yourself with such things.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:25 pm to bayoubengals88
This is not a Political topic. It is a Theological topic and does not belong on the Political Talk of Tigerdroppings.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:26 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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As a Christian, I care about the unity of the body of Christ, which is the Church.
You have the Roman Church and the Orthodox Church. Pick one. The others are on a detour to the Path to God.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:28 pm to Pettifogger
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Unless you view non-Catholics as non-Christians as a per se rule
Most Protestant sects do indeed consider Roman Catholics to be NON-Christians and OUTSIDE of the Body of Christ's Church. That's why we have so much hate for Catholics around here.
EVERY day it's another Theological thread about Roman Catholic theology.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:30 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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Also, transubstantiation was not official Catholic dogma until LanFranc pushed for it to become so in the 11th century.
Another Protestant lie.
The Roman Church officially believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist back to the earliest days of the Church. That's why the Roman Empire considered the Christians to be cannibals.
Stop lying.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:30 pm to bayoubengals88
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This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:31 pm to bayoubengals88
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No thanks. We enjoy life more
Doesn't sound that way to me. I sense a bunch of anxiety over meaningless crap.
But carry on.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:31 pm to bayoubengals88
The Great Schism of 1054 had NOTHING to do with Protestantism.
It was the Bishop (pope) in Rome splitting with the other 4 Bishops of Christendom…the Holy Orthodox Church.
History matters. As such, it wasn’t till 1500s when Protestant movements split from Roman “Catholics” who went their own way in 1054 from the Holy Orthodox Church which has never changed.
It was the Bishop (pope) in Rome splitting with the other 4 Bishops of Christendom…the Holy Orthodox Church.
History matters. As such, it wasn’t till 1500s when Protestant movements split from Roman “Catholics” who went their own way in 1054 from the Holy Orthodox Church which has never changed.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:31 pm to Fat Bastard
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foomanchew will be here soon
Yeah, the guy who told us ERRONEOUSLY that Heaven's Gates were open before Christ died on the Cross.
He is an expert in his own flawed Calvinist Theology and nothing else.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:32 pm to RoyalAir
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Real Presence of Christ was a fundamental block of Christian Theology until the Reformation and, chiefly, Zwingli. Nothing in Luther's theses refer to a disagreement about the Real Presence.
As for the Ecumenism, the real unity would be between the East and the West. The Protestants have created a new faith, with its own traditions and rites. The East and West have a greater chance to reunite.
This is 100% correct. Our closest relative, Eastern Orthodox, has to be brought in first. The papacy and filioque have to be reconciled for this to happen. Russian Orthodox would be up next IMO.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If you want to be Catholic, you can convert.
As a Catholic, I don't care about the inner-workings and policy decisions of the Presbyterian church.
100% agreed. To think other organizations actually think Catholics sit around trying to figure a way to add them back is incredible.
Any non-Catholic Christian organization is an offset to the original. Yall left, be gone.
Go make yalls money setting up these mini-liberal acceptance camps that break up after half the group disagrees about a rule. Laughable.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:34 pm to bayoubengals88
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So please tell me how you feel.
If you don't eat the literal Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist you "have no life in you."
I didn't say this. Jesus did.
That's how I feel.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:35 pm to Champagne
quote:Yes, it was widely believed and accepted, but the belief was not universal, and there were notable detractors from this belief. The disagreement existed peacefully within the Church until the time of Lanfranc.
Another Protestant lie. The Roman Church officially believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist back to the earliest days of the Church. That's why the Roman Empire considered the Christians to be cannibals. Stop lying.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:35 pm to Champagne
quote:Rome teaches a false gospel that doesn't save. That makes them non-Christians in the strictest sense. However, I don't hate them for it, at least not the run-of-the-mill Catholic who doesn't know better. Those false teachers who willingly lead people astray? That's a different story.
Most Protestant sects do indeed consider Roman Catholics to be NON-Christians and OUTSIDE of the Body of Christ's Church. That's why we have so much hate for Catholics around here.
quote:Not quite. When Catholicism is in the news, typically a thread is made. It's not like a theological discussion randomly breaks out every day.
EVERY day it's another Theological thread about Roman Catholic theology.
Also, I'm still waiting for your response in the the Pope thread from the other day
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:36 pm to Champagne
quote:Actually, you are the one who is saying this, not Jesus.
If you don't eat the literal Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist you "have no life in you."
I didn't say this. Jesus did.
That's how I feel.
Jesus didn't add the word "literal", you did (technically Rome did).
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