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re: Ecumenism - Is it happening??
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:06 pm to Knartfocker
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:06 pm to Knartfocker
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I think that's the key to the whole thing. What does unity ultimately mean? Does it mean all Christians' consciences are binded by the same doctrines? Or does it mean that all Christians have access to the Truth no matter how they practice the faith?
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:10 pm to FooManChoo
quote:It sounds like they would be in favor of the notion that what the Bishop of Rome decides would also have to be approved by the other bishops as well (like it used to be as you are saying). It sounds like Conciliarism, which as you know, if that were to have been officially approved in the 15th century there likely would have been no Reformation.
They should rethink the last 1500+ years of the papacy. In the beginning, the church was Presbyterian (elder-ruled) and slowly turned into an episcopate where one bishop eventually took prominence until a singular bishop became supreme based on their location in Rome.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Speaking as a Greek Orthodox who was educated in Roman Catholic schools....this just gets confusing. You are all mistaken. The Metropolitan of Constantinople is right and everyone else is just flat out wrong, theologically....I guess. But I know this, the Jesuits....and Episcopals are going to hell
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:11 pm to jeffsdad
quote:Why a fear?!
Was a big fear in the 80s, hadn't heard much of it lately.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:12 pm to bayoubengals88
This document has absolutely nothing to do with Ecumenism between Protestants and Catholics but rather Catholics and Orthodox. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church have been slowly working toward a reunion and this document is a step toward that end.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:14 pm to RollTide1987
quote:There's a ton of talk several protestant denominations within. One step at a time is better than none.
This document has absolutely nothing to do with Ecumenism between Protestants and Catholics
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:15 pm to AllbyMyRelf
quote:
Yes, papal primacy is an obstacle to ecumenism, but it is not the primary obstacle. The doctrine of the sacraments, the method and process by which grace is conferred to men, the doctrine of justification, and the doctrine of sanctification are the primary obstacles.
Not even to mention issues such as exegesis, church governance, and canonical authority outside scriptures.
It all starts with authority. One step at a time.
But besides, it would be a communion of communions and doctrinal distinctives could remain (as there have always been some).
I'll leave the rest to y'all. Be back later
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:21 pm to Knartfocker
quote:I don’t think it means we all hold all the same views on everything.
What does unity ultimately mean?
There would need to substantial concessions on both sides, but I’m not sure it even means that we have to agree on a list of permissible differences or a list of required agreements (to an extent—obviously one must agree e.g. on the divinity of Christ). But how can the sides come up with things they’re prepared to give on if they hold those views with religious fervor (literally)?
It’s impossible to do on our own, but one day, all will be made complete and good.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:23 pm to bayoubengals88
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-The Spirit of Christ at work, folks.
Geez, man.
The guy seems obsessed with Catholicism.
I can get him a bid. He doesn't have to wait for reunification.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:23 pm to Fat Bastard
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pope john paul already fought communism with reagan. benedict fought the muzzies and was threatened. this dude now? yeah well..................
There is some optimism. The commie pope is in a dying breed from Liberation Theology back in the 70s. Younger priests are rejecting communism for a very logical reason. Communist governments don't like religion.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:28 pm to bayoubengals88
A schism is coming to the Catholic Church that will have reverberating consequences around the world
It will make the Methodist split look like a high school breakup compared to a divorce after forty-five years
along similar lines
Conservative/ traditional v liberal/non-traditional
It will make the Methodist split look like a high school breakup compared to a divorce after forty-five years
along similar lines
Conservative/ traditional v liberal/non-traditional
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:32 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
along similar lines
Conservative/ traditional v liberal/non-traditional
I'm not well versed in the undercurrents of the Catholic church, but would that split ultimately be the Jesuits splitting off from everyone else?
That would seem like it could get violent with multiple sides fighting for the seat of the Pope
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:36 pm to AllbyMyRelf
I grew up Catholic as a child, didn't understand much. In my 30's I returned to the church and really studied the apologetics of the church, understood the teachings and even studied to be a Deacon for a while.
I know the Catholic Church believes a person must be in good standing with the Catholic Church to receive grace/Communion, among many other teachings and traditions.
My question is why would the Catholic Church be considering changing anything about its doctrine or teaching for any reason????
Were they mistaken for 2000 years????
That's the issue I have with the Catholic Church,
they have attempted to water down and control Gods spirit.
I know the Catholic Church believes a person must be in good standing with the Catholic Church to receive grace/Communion, among many other teachings and traditions.
My question is why would the Catholic Church be considering changing anything about its doctrine or teaching for any reason????
Were they mistaken for 2000 years????
That's the issue I have with the Catholic Church,
they have attempted to water down and control Gods spirit.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:39 pm to Knartfocker
Well it actually kind of would be multiple splits kind of like a 45 year divorce with multiple children grandchildren and people picking sides
I imagine the Cardinals would sever ties along the Trad v non-trad line
archbishops ,,, bishops... priests.... the individual churches
the fight over possession of the Vatican itself,, the bank, the relics
the secrets
the diplomatic agreements
ohh boy ,,,
I imagine the Cardinals would sever ties along the Trad v non-trad line
archbishops ,,, bishops... priests.... the individual churches
the fight over possession of the Vatican itself,, the bank, the relics
the secrets
the diplomatic agreements
ohh boy ,,,
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:51 pm to bayoubengals88
Catholicism is a false religion and abomination.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:53 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:I am a Protestant, so obviously I believe the Catholic Church is wrong about many important issues, but I don’t think there has been a systematic attempt to get things wrong.
Were they mistaken for 2000 years???? That's the issue I have with the Catholic Church, they have attempted to water down and control Gods spirit.
I say it like that because I do think there have been people acting maliciously in the Catholic Church just as there are people acting maliciously in Protestant churches. Probably most Protestant churches are false churches, IMO.
However, I believe most errors are simply errors rather than deceits. Some, probably were well meaning. For instance, there were many in the early church who were maliciously misreading and misinterpreting scripture for their own gain. The Catholic response was to put together a canon (good) and then to restrict who was allowed to interpret/ explain the canon (probably bad). But the fact that I believe this led to bad outcomes doesn’t mean I think it was from bad intentions. It is admirable to want to make sure only correct interpretations are promoted and taught.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:56 pm to bayoubengals88
I definitely don’t want Catholicism to turn into a social activism society instead of a religion like so many Protestant denominations have.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:04 pm to KiwiHead
quote:
this just gets confusing.
As a southern Baptist, I’m pretty much here.
quote:
But I know this, the Jesuits....and Episcopals are going to hell
Can you elaborate? I know that Jesuits catch a lot of flak about things but I’m unclear as to the why of that.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:11 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
A schism is coming to the Catholic Church that will have reverberating consequences around the world
LOL
No it isn't.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:20 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I would say do you wanna bet
but it could be 100 years or more before it happens or it could be less I might actually come back on this board and say I told you so next year
Or we both might very well be dead and forgotten
but it could be 100 years or more before it happens or it could be less I might actually come back on this board and say I told you so next year
Or we both might very well be dead and forgotten
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