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re: Economic Update

Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:14 am to
Posted by GBPackTigers
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2009
1077 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:14 am to
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The oil sector struggled to bring production back on line because that shite takes time dude. Now we're producing more oil than ever. The SPR drawdown was a stop gap measure to buy the industry time to catch up.


Here’s a thought. Stop handicapping the industry by pushing fake ideas of zero-carbon footprint and stop demonizing LNG which would make this country explode economically. The problem is that there is no grifting by the government in this type of energy so they hate it. They like to steal from taxpayers and LNG is a proven commodity so they can’t lie to us about it. It makes its own money to pay for itself.
Posted by ifyoubuildit
Member since Jan 2018
175 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:15 am to
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Oil production is at an all time high and we've never been in a better position in the energy sector as a whole.


Amazing what the American people can accomplish in defiance of Joe Biden and lunatic Democrat and WEF climate change policies that are designed to restrict production of oil/gas.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:17 am to
Demand for gasoline is down versus 2019 pre-pandemic demand.

If someone thinks that’s a good sign, I have bad news for you.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167317 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:17 am to
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Home foreclosures at an all time high


This just isn't true. Nothing will top 2010 for foreclosures. 2008 was the start but 2010 was the plateau and I hate Biden but don't lie when the data is easily searchable.
This post was edited on 12/16/23 at 10:19 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:17 am to
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One of the two political parties is
INTENTIONALLY trying to DESTROY that industry and kneecap reliable energy supplies and personal transportation.


Think about this: There person you are interacting with considers himself to be incredibly intelligent, HOWEVER, when faced with the UNDENIABLE FACT that Democrats are ON RECORD as wanting to destroy the Energy Industry, he dismisses it as "no big deal" and goes on to say it will have no real impact on the Economy.

Are you beginning to understand how legit INSANE people like Pwermad really are and that everything they say should be dismissed as the unhinged ravings of a lunatic?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98884 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:19 am to
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The SPR drawdown was a stop gap measure to buy the industry time to catch up. You're welcome to disagree with it but production is driven by the private sector


The fact you might actually believe this tells me you need to be kept away from machinery and sharp objects.

SPR releases were SOLELY to force prices down prior to the 2022 elections and if you think otherwise Sheila Jackson Lee beats you regularly at Tic-tac-toe
Posted by AlwaysPutsSeatDown
Member since May 2008
1002 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:31 am to
LINK /

All time high?????? Really!!!!!
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16306 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:37 am to
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Unemployment is at 3.7%
(Unemployment of 5% or lower is often considered full employment in a real-world context.)



The way unemployment is calculated is anything but "real world."
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:40 am to
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Stop handicapping the industry

Does it appear to you that they're handicapped?
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7838 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:40 am to
And prices vs 2019 are where?

Or maybe you can describe wages vs inflation?

You’re putting lipstick on a pig.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:40 am to
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The way unemployment is calculated is anything but "real world."


And has been this way for decades
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:40 am to
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but don't lie when the data is easily searchable.


Seems like a pretty easy ask
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
11378 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:43 am to
None of what the is posted is true “Fake News” - it’s just bs by the media to try to help Biden. Betting he got that info from the msm. Lol idiot

We all live in the real world and in that world we are barely above a 3rd world country as far as the economy goes.
This post was edited on 12/16/23 at 11:44 am
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16306 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:45 am to
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And has been this way for decades


Yes. I'm well aware of this.

And it's why I immediately cast a leery eye to any rosy analysis that includes it.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:48 am to
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Gas is 2.17 at Sam's.


Lowest I've seen in NC is 2.87

it's interesting that as we turn the corner into Joe's last year, an election year,- gas suddenly is dropping

2 wars just started...billions given out we don't have

imagine my shock gas is looking more attractive for Democrat economic talking point to run on in 24...

Democrats hate Oil and fossil fuels, they want to destroy these sectors in our economy... I mean they have said as much ...humanity is on the line here
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 11:51 am to
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We all live in the real world and in that world we are barely above a 3rd world country as far as the economy goes.



You don't live in the real world if you think we're barely above a 3rd world country. You've clearly never been to a 3rd world country. I have and it's nothing like America.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51687 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

So we can only talk about the negatives on the economy?


No, we take it within context.

quote:

Gas is 2.17 at Sam's.
Dow Jones Industrial Average is at a record high (37,305)
Unemployment is at 3.7%
(Unemployment of 5% or lower is often considered full employment in a real-world context.)


Before I get started, I'm going to need a link to that gasoline price at Sam's. I just filled up with my Benny's discount and it was only in the $2.30 range.

Inflation is remaining sticky at 3% (4% for Core CPI), the big driver in it being even that low is energy prices coming down from their high prices last year. Those prices are looking better, but they haven't been low enough nearly long enough to permeate throughout the economy.

Also, keep in mind that Food, which is a staple, isn't weighted by propensity of purchase so often-purchased items like bread, soft drinks, chips and ground beef are still high and (in many cases) rising.

Real GDP growth from Q2 of this year to Q3 was 1.3%, meanwhile consumer credit card debt grew by 2% in the same period. This would indicate a lot of the profits driving market momentum are coming in on the backs of rocketing consumer debt. That's not a recipe for long-term economic prosperity.

Along with all this, the yield curve is inverted. Every recession has been preceded by the yield curve inverting (technically it's 6-12 months after the yield curve reverts to normal behavior). Adding the return of student loan repayments creates even more pressure on consumers already trying to over-offset inflation on the backs of their credit cards (we see the beginnings of the problems already with steadily rising credit card delinquencies and vehicle repossessions).

So the context is that there are some positives, but they are few and the promotion of them serves mainly just to mask the fact that there are some very serious economic issues out there that may well signal bigger economic problems over the next couple of years.
This post was edited on 12/16/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61289 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

That's almost every gas station in the world

I paid 2.43 at an Exxon station yesterday



I didn't know Exxon gas stations required a membership and sold TVs.


Posted by dantes69
Boise, Id.
Member since Aug 2011
2022 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 1:02 pm to
a family of four is going to spend over $12,000. a year more then 4 years ago
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
2286 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 1:25 pm to
Imagine defending Joe Biden’s energy policies? That’s a special kind of stupid
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