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re: Ebola: The tale of two networks
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:16 am to Da Sheik
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:16 am to Da Sheik
So let's see here... you say:
So the CNN has doctors from the Center for Disease Control.
And fox has a hack and two pollsters?!? To tell us what the president should be doing re quarantines. You want a political operative and two pollsters?! Seriously?
Because he's listening to doctors at the Center for Disease Control rather than pollsters.
I see.
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CNN anchor pushing Obola's talking points and bringing in quotes from the far left CDC docs
So the CNN has doctors from the Center for Disease Control.
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Then there is Fox News. One Republican operative and two Dem. pollsters.
And fox has a hack and two pollsters?!? To tell us what the president should be doing re quarantines. You want a political operative and two pollsters?! Seriously?
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It simply fricking amazing that the POTUS doesn't want to protect America.
Because he's listening to doctors at the Center for Disease Control rather than pollsters.
I see.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:21 am to WeeWee
quote:FYI, Ebola = 1 to 10 organisms IAW the only study I've seen measuring it.
I haven't looked it up in awhile and my between class break is over in 3 minutes so I don't have time right now to look it up, but I will try to find it and will post it after class. I was doing some research back during august and ebola was thought to have a really low ID but the exact # (say 100 or so like with some food poisoning viruses) was unknown
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:38 am to NC_Tigah
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FYI, Ebola = 1 to 10 organisms IAW the only study I've seen measuring it.
IIRC, HIV was thought to be between 10-100, however since there is probably thousands in just a small amount of infected fluid the risk is similar.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:54 am to WeeWee
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Actually no, both have an unknown but thought to be extremely small infectious dose, the risk of infection when coming into contact with infected blood is similar.
If that was the case, I would think that regular hospitals couldn't handle people with full-blown AIDS, rather they would have to be treated at the one of the specialized CDC centers that Ebola patients are being treated at.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:58 am to WeeWee
quote:quote:
FYI, Ebola = 1 to 10 organisms IAW the only study I've seen measuring it.
IIRC, HIV was thought to be between 10-100, however since there is probably thousands in just a small amount of infected fluid the risk is similar.
If what you and NC are saying is true, the way I see it is that Ebola is ten times more dangerous than AIDS.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:10 am to trackfan
quote:Meh, if the 10-100 organisms is accurate, it's an extremely low number as well (as Wee said).
I see it is that Ebola is ten times more dangerous than AIDS.
The problem with Ebola is the voluminous amount of biohazardous material involved during care. Simply a different matter than HIV/Aids. The "danger" is of course also it's mortality rate vs HIV.
You alluded to PPE equivalent to that which the CDC uses. That is stem-to-stern hazmat, with air filtration.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:18 am to trackfan
It's definitely more infectious in that it can live outside the host for a few hours (HIV dies almost immediately).
Anyone going to work on a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in a country rife with people dying from it should *expect* to be quarantined when they return. Why? Because the best way to keep it from spreading here is to limit the exposure of high-risk personnel (those just coming back from the disease-plagued areas) to society at large.
There is a doctor in New York who decided he was fine and dandy so he went all over town... except that he was infected and he didn't realize it. How many people did he put in jeopardy because he took a blase attitude toward Ebola?
There is a 5-yr old in New York in the hospital right now, he and his family got back from New Guinea on Saturday. The child was checked into the hospital with vomiting, diarrhea and a 103-degree temperature. How many people did his parents put at risk by not voluntarily requesting quarantine?
Anyone who goes to those areas and isn't willing to be quarantined, or at least closely monitored, when they come back to the US is being selfish.
Anyone going to work on a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in a country rife with people dying from it should *expect* to be quarantined when they return. Why? Because the best way to keep it from spreading here is to limit the exposure of high-risk personnel (those just coming back from the disease-plagued areas) to society at large.
There is a doctor in New York who decided he was fine and dandy so he went all over town... except that he was infected and he didn't realize it. How many people did he put in jeopardy because he took a blase attitude toward Ebola?
There is a 5-yr old in New York in the hospital right now, he and his family got back from New Guinea on Saturday. The child was checked into the hospital with vomiting, diarrhea and a 103-degree temperature. How many people did his parents put at risk by not voluntarily requesting quarantine?
Anyone who goes to those areas and isn't willing to be quarantined, or at least closely monitored, when they come back to the US is being selfish.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:26 am to Zahrim
WTF did you just call me?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:32 am to Bard
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There is a doctor in New York who decided he was fine and dandy so he went all over town... except that he was infected and he didn't realize it. How many people did he put in jeopardy because he took a blase attitude toward Ebola?
If it's that easy to catch it, Duncan would have spread it to others before he got really sick. The People on his plane, his family, the EMTs, the hosoital workers on his first visit didn't get it. Only when he was really sick did the nurses get it.
The nurses would have spread it. No one got it.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:35 am to Bard
quote:Exactly zero.
There is a doctor in New York who decided he was fine and dandy so he went all over town... except that he was infected and he didn't realize it. How many people did he put in jeopardy because he took a blase attitude toward Ebola?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:38 am to Da Sheik
More of Obama's PC/leading from behind strategy; destined to end in the same way that his social justice/open border/self quarantining/Islamist tolerance/pacifist policies will soon be realized for what they are. Seriously harmful to American interests and security...and destined to be overwhelmingly rejected in the real world political pragmatism...when the pain becomes unbearable.
The hard core Statists will stand by Obama because of their all-in ego investment in the man/his policy...but it won't matter, for much longer. As life gets harder...it always goes back to Conservative Principles...when Idealism crumbles. Probably end up with an Authoritarian Right dictatorship as a last resort.
More mud on the wall. Live and learn. Move up. Just like our Tigers.
The hard core Statists will stand by Obama because of their all-in ego investment in the man/his policy...but it won't matter, for much longer. As life gets harder...it always goes back to Conservative Principles...when Idealism crumbles. Probably end up with an Authoritarian Right dictatorship as a last resort.
More mud on the wall. Live and learn. Move up. Just like our Tigers.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:42 am to Bard
quote:From New Guinea? Probably not many, since that's on the other side of the world.
There is a 5-yr old in New York in the hospital right now, he and his family got back from New Guinea on Saturday. The child was checked into the hospital with vomiting, diarrhea and a 103-degree temperature. How many people did his parents put at risk by not voluntarily requesting quarantine?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:45 am to Da Sheik
quote:So the media is doing its job in herding the sheople into a left vs right divide.
Ebola: The tale of two networks
This is shocking news!
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:57 am to Iosh
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From New Guinea?
Guinea. My mistake.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:07 am to stormy
quote:Stormy, do you hate Christie now? In your opinion is he no longer defending America?
Thumbs up to the trio states for standing up for America ! Thumbs up for the health workers who help the sick, but you don't know if your deadly infected and no test will show your clean of ebola until 21 days! Enjoy your 21 day quarantine via of the American people! Its. right! We will honor you then!
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:10 am to Da Sheik
quote:So what do you think now Da Sheik? Are the governors no longer "leaders"?
Then there is Fox News. One Republican operative and two Dem. pollsters. They demonstrate that the governors are being leaders and are trying to protect their people with quarantine which should be common sense. No leadership from the top.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:25 am to mmcgrath
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Are the governors no longer "leaders"?
Christie and Como have instituted quarantines. Was that not the reference?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:36 am to Tigah in the ATL
Tigah in the ATL ......you are the fool democrats count on
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:48 am to Da Sheik
"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times..."
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:52 am to Asgard Device
quote:How long did the Democrats detain American citizens of Japanese descent against their will during WWII? Were they as great a threat to public welfare as people exposed to Ebola?
Leave it to Republicans to be for automatically detaining citizens against their will for 3 weeks.
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