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Dressing up as a black person =/= "blackface" as people think

Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:42 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:42 pm
"Blackface" in the actually offensive sense is that which hearkens back to the minstrel shows (which were specifically meant to cast blacks in a negative light).

A costume depicting a black person true to skin tone isn't "blackface." Nor should it be offensive to anyone not already looking for something to get mad about.

That shite in Northam's yearbook, though? Minstrel-show style blackface. Cut and dried racist.

I think the term has gotten diluted/confused, IMO.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:43 pm to
But aren't you a black guy?

So what would you know about it?

Let's get one of these white leftists to set us straight!
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:44 pm to
I can get behind that, good insight Tbird.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

But aren't you a black guy?

So what would you know about it?

Let's get one of these white leftists to set us straight!


Where's Ebbandflow when you need a good whitesplaining?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 pm to
Completely agree. There's a huge difference in laughing AT someone else and laughing with them.

Takes a person with empathy to know the difference.
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

I think the term has gotten diluted/confused, IMO.


The practice of putting on "blackface" to mock black people and do racist charicatures has now been applied with a broad brush to any time a white person imitates a black person at all, even if the portrayal is meant to be positive or non-racist.

A white person dressing up like a black person is no more inherently offensive than a man performing in drag pretending to be a woman, a practice which is bizarrely celebrated on the left.

The intent and what the person is doing/saying is important, but nobody cares about that anymore.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:45 pm to
Thanks for mansplaining that to us.
Posted by Tigerswillprevail
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:48 pm to
Admit that many years ago I went to a costume party as buckwheat.

Blacked out and all, was actually confronted by some guys because I was with a white girl. Last part may be racist but first was for humor. Imo anyway.

Wouldn't do that now but 30 years ago it wasnt a big deal. Even my “black friends” laughed.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:48 pm to
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PEPE


Agreed.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

A costume depicting a black person true to skin tone isn't "blackface."


You would think not, but the race-baiters will call it either that or "cultural appropriation".

I guarantee if some white sorority chick were to dress up as Tina Turner (with matching skin tone) for her sorority's 80's themed party, there would be a backlash. Remember how people lost their fricking minds last year when that high school girl wore an oriental-themed dress to prom?

Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

cokebottleag


Oh goddammit I can't win
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:57 pm to
Seems to me (a white guy) that the nuance lies with whether you are dressing up in a way which mocks stereotypes of the black race or are you dressing up to mock an individual who happens to be black.

Jimmy Kimmel was mocking Karl Malone and not all blacks people so I think this an example of humor.

Northam was mocking both racist stereotypes and making light of a hateful terror group, the KKK so most reasonable people would agree this is in very poor taste and might indicate some severe racist tendencies on the part of the actor.
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

Where's Ebbandflow when you need a good whitesplaining?


She’s still icing down her orifices.

She got absolutely gangfricked this morning
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

"Blackface" in the actually offensive sense is that which hearkens back to the minstrel shows (which were specifically meant to cast blacks in a negative light).
Correct. Alas, we have a huge subset of Americans who will act like you're a slave owner reincarnated if you do it...…….unless you're a Democrat and you're pro-abortion. THEN, free pass.

quote:

That shite in Northam's yearbook, though? Minstrel-show style blackface. Cut and dried racist.

True. But, I'm consistent on this. shite was 30 years ago. Even if he was a flagrant racist then, that doesn't show that he is now.

HOWEVER. See above. No free pass for a member of the group that LOVES to destroy people over such things.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:10 pm to
Ummm yeah, no offense Tbird but I’m gonna need someone to whitesplain that to me.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

That shite in Northam's yearbook, though? Minstrel-show style blackface. Cut and dried racist.


No question... I mean the guy next to him is in a Klan outfit
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:16 pm to
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Northam was mocking both racist stereotypes and making light of a hateful terror group, the KKK


Where does it say anywhere in that year book that he was mocking stereotypes and the KKK? Everyone can draw their own conclusions but I see a couple of guys dressed as a black guy and a Klansman having a beer, which is not exactly how most normal folks go about mocking stereotypes and racism. It seems to me that instead of mocking these things they were having a grand old time being offensive.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 9:20 pm
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:23 pm to
I just posted this in another thread. According to your explanation I am in good standing with you.

I would post a photo but I don't think it would be wise.


quote:

1980 my best friend had the same name as me, and we were called Salt & Pepper at school.

Halloween dance comes and he told me to go as him and he would go as me.

His mom even put the make up on me and let me use one of her wigs. My buddy went Dave Chappelle style and everyone did laugh their asses off.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:25 pm to
This is the best explanation I’ve read on this site.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:26 pm to
Shakespeare's Othello at the Globe
Simon of Cyrene in a passion play at a white church

Even in the minstrel show era you would have seen these played by white actor costumed as an African, but in a realistic, tasteful sense.

There's always been a distinction. Minstrel is vaudeville, everything about it is meant to be crude and outrageous, whether sexual, racial, whatever
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