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Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:14 pm to BrodyDad
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lost 4 people to Covid in the early days. The board may not like it, but they would still be here had they had access to the vax.
The good and bad news is that is just likely untrue.
It took well over 100 people getting vaccinated to prevent one case of Covid. Using a case fatality rate of even 3% (it was lower than this), it took 3,000 plus vaccinations to prevent one Covid death.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 10:58 pm to riverdiver
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One constant with Covid (particularly in the more lethal early days before and after the vax became available) was there was no rhyme/reason to it. At times healthier vaxxed people died, while obese unvaxxed people with every risk factor known to man walked out of the hospital perfectly fine.
I stated this many times, as the quality of the course of infection varied widely. For that reason I suggested that serious COVID infection was in part mediated by HLA serotypes, which is the most obvious answer as to why the quality of infection could vary so much. There might be other immune-mediated reasons as well.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:12 pm to BrodyDad
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lost 4 people to Covid in the early days.
And there's nothing the clot shot would have done to change that. Sorry for your loss
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:34 pm to BrodyDad
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I lost 4 people to Covid in the early days. The board may not like it, but they would still be here had they had access to the vax.
Probably not. They likely would have survived covid if they had had the vax, but they had to be extremely unhealthy to have died of it, so I doubt they’d have lived five more years. A flu or RSV would likely have gotten them.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:40 pm to TigerAxeOK
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I'm sorry for your loss(es) but you cannot unequivocally state this as absolute fact.
True
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The data is all over the place
No it’s not. The data is very clear that for similar cohorts of highly vulnerable people, those who were vaccinated with the MRNA vax had much better outcomes. There are a bunch of determined fools on here who will deny that until they die, but they’re wrong.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 5:02 am to Penrod
At first I did not get Covid shot because liberals wanted me to. Later I realized it was dangerous and was glad I didn’t take it.?
Posted on 2/10/26 at 5:05 am to BrodyDad
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I lost 4 people to Covid in the early days. The board may not like it, but they would still be here had they had access to the vax.
You dont know that. The vax did nothing they claimed it would do.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 5:08 am to REG861
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Even your idiot parents got you the basic vaccines because they didn’t want you to get polio:
Ahhhh...The good ole days when a vaccine was an actual vaccine...MY idiot parents got me the polio vaccine and didnt I get polio. How many took the fake covid vax and still got covid..they are not the same
This post was edited on 2/10/26 at 5:19 am
Posted on 2/10/26 at 7:41 am to CarRamrod
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you have no proof that would be the case.
Nor do you have any proof that it would not. I stated it was my belief.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 8:41 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Never said that but they absolutely changed the definition of vaccine for this publicly and were also careful in the pharmaceutical filings to not call it a vaccine. The narrative went from ‘it’s the only thing that will save us’ to ‘it will stop the spread’ to ‘it could possibly make it not so bad if you get it’. Well, people were jabbed and still died from either Covid or the jab itself. People like me who were never jabbed and never got Covid still got accused of endangering others. Utter bullshite.
does it only qualify if it guarantees zero infections?
Operation Warp Speed was one of the most retarded and dangerous things ever perpetrated on the public. Pharma made billions and were immune from any future litigation. Treatment methods and protocols were insanely changed and simple drugs were all but banned in order to wait for the savior jab.
It’s a crap shoot any given year for the efficacy of a flu shot but at least there is a consistency in the methodology. This was next level craziness magnified by the fact that the notion of herd immunity suddenly became unheard of. The shite they pulled to produce a gene therapy (that even proponents of said would be disastrous) would not remotely be allowed for any other ‘drug’. The death and injury data is there for all to see but is largely ignored by those who are still white-knighting for whatever the hell the shot was.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 8:45 am to BrodyDad
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as it makes good scientific sense.
Are you certain you understand the scientific method?
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they would still be here had they had access to the vax.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 9:00 am to BrodyDad
quote:and that fine, but you are basing it on nothing... or faith in the vaccine that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
I stated it was my belief.
quote:no disrespect, but there is one fact here. It isnt my burden to prove outcomes would be different. its yours.
Nor do you have any proof that it would not.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 10:01 am to Judnnc
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Later I realized it was dangerous and was glad I didn’t take it.?
It does have dangerous side effects in rare cases. There are a lot of nut jobs on this board who have exaggerated those rare cases into some killing grounds.
I knew no one who died of Covid except for one lady who was in hospice. I knew no one who died of the vaccine, although I have a friend who suspects his father might have.
Both the right and the left lost their minds over Covid and abandoned their rational, thinking for political narratives. The left greatly exaggerated Covid and greatly exaggerated the prophylactic steps we needed to take to prevent it. The right countered by greatly exaggerating, the negative effects of the vaccine.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 10:22 am to NytroBud
Some vaccines erase a disease from daily life. Others keep a dangerous disease from overwhelming society. COVID vaccines were the second kind. This gets forgotten because most of us have been living in an era where we've had a lot of success eradicating communicable diseases, which is great if you can do it, but vaccines were successful long before this by acting like fire-breaks do, limiting damage, but not eradicating disease. That's valuable too, and the COVID vaccine was like that, and had it been communicated like that, there would be less backlash and resentment today.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 10:32 am to BrodyDad
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I lost 4 people to Covid in the early days
That's a ton.
These were immediate family members? Friends? Extended Friends and acquaintences?
Nursing home neighbors?
Posted on 2/10/26 at 10:36 am to BrodyDad
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I got 4 rounds of covid vax, by choice. Based upon my history and the knowledge my profession gives me about vaccines, I believe it was the right thing for me and my family.
Lumping vaccines into a single category that all must be good or all must be bad is as dumb as it gets.
But, the real question is why have you stopped taking the COVID vaccine? I think we know why.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 10:47 am to the808bass
quote:I will just respond to you since you posted this. I didn’t mean to get involved in a Covid debate.
It took well over 100 people getting vaccinated to prevent one case of Covid. Using a case fatality rate of even 3% (it was lower than this), it took 3,000 plus vaccinations to prevent one Covid death
The VAERS system is very underreported. My wife uses/used it but said a lot of doctors don’t use it because they don’t have to. That data is available now and singles out the vaccine. It is staggering.
The insane clinical trials of Pfizer and Modern are available also…now. The CEO’s and the government knew the data, but went ahead with them anyway. (Pfizer’s CEO mad $100m in stock options, Moderna’s made $1B) If the public would have had that data, no rational person would have taken it.
I sincerely sympathize with people who lost loved ones. However, the “if they only had the vaccine” thought process is misplaced hope and guilt.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:03 am to CarRamrod
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no disrespect, but there is one fact here. It isnt my burden to prove outcomes would be different. its yours.
Oh please. This isn't a court of law. I dont see you demanding the same of those claiming the vax has killed hundreds of thousands. That's lazy rhetoric.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:19 am to BrodyDad
quote:ugh... i know...
Oh please. This isn't a court of law.
quote:demanding? im not demanding anything... I respectfully commented on your comment about false hope and you came back all defensive.
I dont see you demanding
quote:that wasnt the topic at hand...its you claiming the vax would have saved their lives.
claiming the vax has killed hundreds of thousands
And because I do feel for your lose, and i have no emotional attachment to this argument unlike you.... its best we end it here.
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