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DOJ takes on the Jan. 6 Tucker Carlson tapes

Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:12 pm
Prosecutors emphasized that defendants and their lawyers have had access to an enormous trove of evidence for nearly two years.

“The United States does not know the extent of any material that a member of the legislative branch purportedly provided to other individuals,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Sean McCauley wrote in a court filing connected to prominent Jan. 6 defendant Ryan Nichols. “This Court should not commit to an indefinite trial extension for this Defendant, or for any defendants, based on the unsupported allegation that pertinent information may exist somewhere, but is not currently known to either the prosecution or the defense.”

The filings are the first effort by the Justice Department to place limits on any potential efforts by Jan. 6 defendants to use the newly disclosed footage to prolong their criminal proceedings. Nichols’ attorney, Joseph McBride, urged U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth to delay his late-March trial in order to give Nichols’ defense team time to review the footage, which McBride said he’s been granted access to by the House.

Prosecutors contended that the existence of the additional footage reviewed by Carlson does not necessarily entitle defendants to receive it — particularly without a basis for believing it includes exculpatory content.

The Justice Department also rejected as “premature” the notion that Carlson’s decision to air some of the security footage Monday should lead to the Justice Department making the full cache of security film public. Prosecutors noted that “limited” clips aired by Carlson were nearly all included in the initial troves of footage provided to defense attorneys, which includes nearly all of the footage inside and outside the Capitol from 12 p.m. to 8 p.m. on Jan. 6.

“Nearly all the footage displayed on the program has long been in the government’s production to defense counsel and, in some cases, has also been admitted in public hearings and/or trials and has been available to, released to, and/or published by news media,” the department noted.

Prosecutors also argued that there’s still good reason not to widely release all security footage; “Disclosure of all CCV footage could not only reveal the U.S. Capitol’s internal surveillance system to third parties but could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage.” LINK
Posted by Rex Feral
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Prosecutors also argued that there’s still good reason not to widely release all security footage; “Disclosure of all CCV footage could not only reveal the U.S. Capitol’s internal surveillance system to third parties but could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage


bullshite
Posted by Chazreinhold
Utah
Member since Oct 2020
5753 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:14 pm to
Sounds to me like we have a lot of Commies in the US Govt.
Shocker I know.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36045 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:14 pm to
The DOJ and the federal judiciary are perhaps the worst of the worst when it comes to Deep State tyranny.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:15 pm to
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The DOJ and the federal judiciary are perhaps the worst of the worst when it comes to Deep State tyranny.

This right here.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:16 pm to
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but is not currently known to ... the prosecution

Something tells me that the DOJ knows exactly what the videos show and don't want the defense to know.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:16 pm to
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Disclosure of all CCV footage could not only reveal the U.S. Capitol’s internal surveillance system to third parties but could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage

Ok then. Submit all footage to the Court and have a judge conduct an in camera review to determine which segments should remain sealed for security purposes. I can buy that there is some footage that would undermine how the security system is set up or what procedures are for the members, etc. What I doubt is the DOJ's position on how much of the video falls into that category.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:37 pm to
At this point it seems there is a 100% guarantee that defendants have not had access to this video.

This is shameful and it's unconstitutional.

I think I'll be signing the pardons in a big blue Sharpie.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:41 pm to
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could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage


Antifa and FBI agents
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62439 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:04 pm to
They are literally holding people that arguably may have trespassed, indefinitely, without bail. I can’t imagine how evil these people are… Murderers, have infinitely more rights. Hell, everyone else in Society has more rights, according to these evil people
Posted by artisticsavant
Member since Mar 2017
5008 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:07 pm to
So police body cam footage should get released but they think keeping this hidden somehow is good? It would be a lot better if people just knew the truth. It's not like someone is standing around in the footage with posters with people's SS# and home addresses on them.
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1447 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:10 pm to
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osecutors also argued that there’s still good reason not to widely release all security footage; “Disclosure of all CCV footage could not only reveal the U.S. Capitol’s internal surveillance system to third parties but could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage


That is a fricking lie.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11456 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:18 pm to
BS, the DOJ does not want their agents identified, you know the ones that led the unsuspecting pawns into the Capital.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:36 pm to
Bingo.
Posted by GoldenAge
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:59 pm to
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Prosecutors also argued that there’s still good reason not to widely release all security footage; “Disclosure of all CCV footage could not only reveal the U.S. Capitol’s internal surveillance system to third parties but could also jeopardize the privacy and security of certain persons depicted on such CCV footage

This is such bullshite. No expectation of privacy in public places.
Posted by Bayou Warrior 64
Member since Feb 2021
295 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:02 pm to

The Deep State at its finest. Oh what shame!
Posted by CountryVolFan
Knoxville, TN
Member since Dec 2008
2970 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:11 pm to
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Something tells me that the DOJ knows exactly what the videos show and don't want the defense to know.


And the defendants is supposed to have protection under Brady against this. I'm a defense atty, so let me vent on a few points that happen in practice:

1. The protections don't really "kick in" until trial - The State will hide all of the exculpatory info they can until a trial deadline. Sometimes the defendant will reach a plea vs. trial deadline and have to make that decision without seeing everything.

2. The "punishment" if they don't provide the evidence is usually just a do over - We need some teeth to the rules here. If states (or in Federal cases Congress) would pass laws punishing the Prosecuting attorney for wilfully withholding evidence then it stops. Right now they just get a conviction overturned and oopsie the Defendant was unable to make bond so they sit there for years waiting for an appeal to go through.

We aren't hearing a big fuss about this because the liberty minded representatives are holding their tongues. Why? I have no idea. Maybe they are fearful that they get labeled as supporting crazies and lose votes?

Also, the defense bar is probably 90% of anyone that has any pull. So most of them want these poor people to sit in jail. They care more about that than a precedent being set that will help their future clients. It's super sad.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89532 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:13 pm to
They big mad
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
24284 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:15 pm to
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bullshite


Agreed. If their security was actually legit as they claim, then it needs to be thrown out and started again anyway because it’s been proven to be worthless.

Don’t see anyone barking up that tree though.
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
4972 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:15 pm to
Denying you DUE PROCESS and violating Brady Rules is their MO.
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