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DOJ asks Judge to silence Trump

Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:27 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:27 am
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Trump appeared in federal court on Tuesday, where he was arraigned on 37 counts relating to Smith’s investigation.

“The Discovery Materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court,” DOJ attorneys wrote.

The DOJ’s request for a protective order notes that some “materials also include information pertaining to ongoing investigations, the disclosure of which could compromise those investigations and identify uncharged individuals.”



Only the DOJ can put out their narrative.


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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:31 am to
P/O s are standard in cases like this.

I have P/Os in cases with much less important allegations
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
7983 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:35 am to
We knew this was coming.

They want the leading candidate silenced during a Presidential election.

Page right oit of the communist playbook.

Anyone want to say this is not election interference?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67787 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:35 am to
Taking out a presidential candidate with evidence that the public is not allowed to see.


We have now perfected election rigging.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:40 am to
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They want the leading candidate silenced during a Presidential election.

Page right oit of the communist playbook.

He can still talk. Stop being so histrionic.

He just can't discuss certain evidence of the case, which he couldn't anyway because most of it is classified
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:42 am to
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most of it is classified
People actually believe this.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23171 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:44 am to
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He just can't discuss certain evidence of the case, which he couldn't anyway because most of it is classified


That's not what the trash doj is requesting. Can you read?

Eta and the doj honestly gave up any obligation to give a shite about their investigations by engaging in this lawless witch hunt during an election.

They can file their fan fiction indictment publicly and not allow a presidential candidate to respond f publicly.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 8:48 am
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6156 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:45 am to
Who determines what’s classified? Only one side. That’s a rigged game.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67787 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 8:56 am to
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Who determines what’s classified? Only one side. That’s a rigged game.


Exactly.

Gov: we are going to jail you

Citizen: Let's see your evidence.

Gov: no, that's a secret


Free country my arse.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 9:00 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39418 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:05 am to
My only issue is the “ongoing investigation” card they repeatedly play to avoid self incrimination. They never answer questions. They do it even when an investigation is closed.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53240 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:07 am to
Right, the government has no accountability because they can just cover up everything under the auspices of national security, protecting sources and methods, or ongoing investigation.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39418 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:08 am to
Yet they leak more than the Titanic.

Odd
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39418 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:11 am to
102 marked pages out of “dozens of boxes”, and even still the defense is saying it was unclassified. After everything we’ve seen, it’s hard to imagine people still take these cases seriously
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:12 am to
quote:

Only the DOJ can put out their narrative.
Is the DoJ tweeting about Trump 16 times per day?

I must have missed that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:13 am to
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That's not what the trash doj is requesting.


This is literally that:

quote:

“The Discovery Materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court,”


That's standard in cases involving much less sensitive data.

Now if you want to discuss a bullshite request, this is it:

quote:

“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


An actual news article, not Breitbart

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They can file their fan fiction indictment publicly and not allow a presidential candidate to respond f publicly.

He can respond. He just can't discuss national security documents or classified documents

Very few judges are going to let Trump, with his history of public statements and social media shitposting, discuss evidence in an ongoing criminal matter.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:13 am to
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They want the leading candidate silenced during a Presidential election.
Hyperbole much?

They are not preventing him from talking about the issues. Only from disclosing materials obtained in discovery.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Gov: we are going to jail you

Citizen: Let's see your evidence.

Gov: no, that's a secret


Trump gets to see the evidence, though.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115710 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:15 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:16 am to
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He just can't discuss certain evidence of the case, which he couldn't anyway because most of it is classified
quote:

That's not what the trash doj is requesting. Can you read?

That is EXACTLY what they are requesting.
quote:

The Discovery Materials, along with any information derived therefrom, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the Court
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27447 posts
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:16 am to
But there is nothing standard when dealing with this case. Yeah, P/O 's are standard......even helpful in a lot of cases, but with Trump even having a limited gag in place works to his advantage from a PR standpoint.

In fact I think he may quietly welcome it and turn all of his energy into savaging Jack Smith and the DOJ for establishing a show trial. But he can also use it as a campaign tool and issue. "See, they're trying to silence you by shutting me up"

If I were Smith I would rethink this.
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