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Does WaPo Have a Pro "DACA + Wall Deal" Article Out this Morning?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:23 am
It certainly appears that way, but I'm behind a pay wall. If so, this is huge. Trump may tackle both immigration and infrastructure this year.
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Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:25 am to RedStickBR
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PRESIDENT TRUMP says he is optimistic a deal can be struck to shield “dreamers,” the young undocumented immigrants whose lives he put in jeopardy by stripping them of work permits and deportation protection, beginning March 5. His price, and that of many Republicans, is up to $33 billion in border-security measures, including Mr. Trump’s “beautiful” wall.
If that’s the deal — not one freighted with a laundry list of other items on the GOP wish list — Democrats should take it.
Granted, Mr. Trump once told Americans that a border wall, paid for by Mexico, would cost $4 billion. After that, he said $6 billion or $7 billion, and later $10 billion. Now his administration says it’s really $18 billion for 722 miles of wall, of which just 316 miles would be a brand-new structure along the 2,000-mile southwest frontier. Oh, and Mexico’s credit card seems to be missing.
The wall is a dumb idea. It won’t do much to suppress illegal border crossings, which in any event have been falling for decades. And the additional border-security spending proposed by the administration, including thousands of new Border Patrol agents, is largely a waste. Rather than seriously addressing the opioid epidemic, or mounting cyberwarfare threats, or America’s crumbling infrastructure, the president wants to fortify a border where illegal crossings, as measured by Border Patrol apprehensions, are already at their lowest point since the Nixon administration.
But consider how rare it is that a dumb idea in Congress actually buys something smart in return. In this case, the return on that dumb idea would be huge. (And betting that the courts will save the dreamers is too risky, notwithstanding a federal judge’s ruling Tuesday freezing dreamers’ protections — for now.)
The wall’s $18 billion price tag would be spread over a decade. If a few billion dollars annually is the trade-off that provides certainty — a pathway to citizenship or permanent legal status — for nearly 700,000 young immigrants brought to this country as children by their parents, it’s worth it. Because the alternative — all those lives ruined, all those jobs lost, all that education and promise cut short — is much worse.
Democrats who choke on the wall, loath to hand Mr. Trump a political triumph, might ask themselves what other deals they might strike that would do so much tangible good, for so many people, so immediately — and at such a relatively modest price. The likely answer is: very few.
Some Republicans are angling for more than half a loaf. Using the dreamers as hostages, they want to decimate legal immigration, slash family reunification visas and dissolve the lottery system that provides visas for people from Africa and other regions that generate relatively few immigrants.
Those measures would inflict real harm on real people. By contrast, spending billions on border security, while profligate, has enjoyed bipartisan support in the past. In 2006, many prominent Democrats, including then-Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, voted for 700 miles of fencing at the southwest frontier, albeit at a time when illegal crossings were more than three times greater than they are today.
Many in Congress may have lost the muscle memory required to strike a compromise, but here’s a reminder: In politics, as in life, compromise is often painful. That doesn’t mean you refuse it.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:29 am to GumboPot
The sentiment is anti-Trump, sure, but their message is correct. Let's do this deal. It's a bipartisan slam dunk.
And Trump would be smart to spin things like Fiat's production shift from Mexico to the U.S. as an example of Mexico "paying for the wall."
He also may want to begin socializing the "a wall can be virtual" message.
And Trump would be smart to spin things like Fiat's production shift from Mexico to the U.S. as an example of Mexico "paying for the wall."
He also may want to begin socializing the "a wall can be virtual" message.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:30 am to RedStickBR
It really makes no sense for Democrats to refuse the wall deal for DACA especially if walls don't work (according to them). A few wasted billions shouldn't be nothing to them based on they way they like to spend money. At least a lot of their constituents will be employed to construct the wall.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:32 am to GumboPot
Have you seen any actual economic analysis on the wall? I have not, but that would be an interesting read.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:36 am to RedStickBR
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And Trump would be smart to spin things like Fiat's production shift from Mexico to the U.S. as an example of Mexico "paying for the wall."
I wonder why we are not taxing remittances back to Mexico. $25 billion is remitted to Mexico from the U.S. every year. At a 10% tax rate that's $2.5 billion a year or $25 billion per 10 years. I say 10 years because that's how infrastructure projects are funded. Sell the 10 year bond to get the money up front for construction and pay on the back end to repay the bonds by taxing remittances.
Mexico already taxes remittances on their end at 12%. In other words when people pick up the money from Western Union in Mexico, the Mexican government keeps 12%. The average remittance to Mexico is $187.00.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:36 am to GumboPot
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“dreamers,” the young undocumented immigrants whose lives he put in jeopardy by stripping them of work permits and deportation protection
Your main stream media, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:39 am to RedStickBR
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Have you seen any actual economic analysis on the wall? I have not, but that would be an interesting read.
I've seen comparison to the Israeli wall.
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Just consider price: Israel's fence cost $2 million a mile to build. The U.S. fence and wall have cost nearly double, at $3.5 milllion per mile.
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Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
It blows my mind how suddenly the WaPo and others seem so overly concerned with the budget and deficit when they had no shits to give while Odumbass was running up $trillion+$ annual deficits.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:41 am to GumboPot
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I wonder why we are not taxing remittances back to Mexico. $25 billion is remitted to Mexico from the U.S. every year. At a 10% tax rate that's $2.5 billion a year or $25 billion per 10 years. I say 10 years because that's how infrastructure projects are funded. Sell the 10 year bond to get the money up front for construction and pay on the back end to repay the bonds by taxing remittances.
It would just be done through crypto-currency
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:42 am to mtntiger
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It blows my mind how suddenly the WaPo and others seem so overly concerned with the budget and deficit when they had no shits to give while Odumbass was running up $trillion+$ annual deficits.
Yeah, and wall funding is a drop in the bucket compared to the trillion dollar stimulus.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:43 am to GumboPot
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:46 am to Loserman
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It would just be done through crypto-currency
By a very small percentage. Most of these people are not that sophisticated. And it's already proven they care not to avoid taxes on the Mexican end. Remember the $25 billion number I'm referring to is what is recorded and tracked by the government.
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Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:47 am to RedStickBR
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I like the remittance idea. Here's some analysis from Wharton:
The remittance idea should have passed in the tax bill. Maybe it can pass in the infrastructure bill.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
When illegals cost us approx. $130 billion a year in taxpayer's money, $18 billion for ten years for a wall is chump change.
Give him the money and move on lefties. You won't win this argument.
Give him the money and move on lefties. You won't win this argument.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:51 am to Loserman
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It would just be done through crypto-currency
Maybe down the road but how many illegals are tech savvy enough to make that jump tomorrow? A remittance tax would generate a significant piece of wall funding in the short term.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:05 am to GumboPot
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By a very small percentage. Most of these people are not that sophisticated. And it's already proven they care not to avoid taxes on the Mexican end. Remember the $25 billion number I'm referring to is what is recorded and tracked by the government.
It would be done quick enough. A whole cottage industry would pop up overnight.
Hell even the drug cartels would expand their crypto presence to facilitate a large cash flow
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:06 am to RedStickBR
IMO, easy way to trade it off.
give lottery citizenship to dreamers (those free of criminal record), phased in over years, and then once all the dreamers are turned over, then lottery goes away.
and wall built as well
give lottery citizenship to dreamers (those free of criminal record), phased in over years, and then once all the dreamers are turned over, then lottery goes away.
and wall built as well
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:27 am to Homesick Tiger
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When illegals cost us approx. $130 billion a year in taxpayer's money, $18 billion for ten years for a wall is chump change.
I always think it's funny when conservatives point to the tax money that we lose through illegal immigration. It basically functions as a tax cut and cheap labor for employers who hire undocumented workers - two things that conservatives usually say are a boost to the economy on a macro level.
Before the downvotes come in, I realize that there are a lot of other problems associated with illegal immigration, but it's just interesting to hear the economic argument that no conservative would make under any other circumstance.
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