re: Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?

Loser talk?

It is rational thinking to believe that the Dems got away with and if it isn't stopped, they will do it again. The candidate will not matter.

Hell, if DeSantis gets the nomination and looks like he will win the GE, they will be even more concerned about what he could accomplish if in office. They would do everything they did before and more to keep him out of office.

It is delusional to think a "better" candidate will solve the fraud issue.

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Joe has several million fraudulent votes, and everyone knows it.

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Several million? You're on crack. The entire reason they targeted specific areas and barely put the turnip over the top is because harvesting takes effort and the race needs to be close for it to work. Biden probably got every bit of 80 million legit votes, because Trump is polarizing as hell.

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Go back to 5th grade and learn how the government works, zippy.

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Ok, just got back from 5th grade civics class and reporting back. Teacher said the president has veto power. So it's odd that Trump used federal tax dollars to subsidize the shenanigans.

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I don't agree. Trump isn't one of them nor does he want to be. If DeSantis wins he will be beholden to those who paid his way, the big donors who pour money into his campaign

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He's already basically told his big money donors who want him to be more "moderate" to pound sand

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I think he would make changes but not to the degree in which Trump would attempt to do so. Like so many Republicans presently in office, Ron would play the game but play by the rules.

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This is based on emotion and not logic or reality. Case in point, Trump bent over for Fauci because he was scared of the blowback. And hired nothing but swamp creatures in his cabinet for the most part

DeSantis has a track record of executing from Day 1 in FL. When he entered office, he got his team together and asked them to tell him the full extent of his powers under FL constitution in every agenda item he had. He is the type of person to hit the ground running and clean house.

He doesn't yell in caps on Twitter or at rallies about it, I know. But he is a disciplined machine.

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I don't agree. Trump isn't one of them nor does he want to be. If DeSantis wins he will be beholden to those who paid his way, the big donors who pour money into his campaign. I think he would make changes but not to the degree in which Trump would attempt to do so. Like so many Republicans presently in office, Ron would play the game but play by the rules.

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Here's another one of the cult narratives.

"If Trump loses its because he was cheated. If Desantis wins its because they let him."

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I think he would make changes but not to the degree in which Trump would attempt to do so.

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What were all these changes he made in his first term?

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Trump was complaining back in 2015 about rigged elections.

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And the Hillary campaign (herself, foremost) was reassuring everyone that the election processes was 100% secure because their system of frickery was batting 100 and had never failed. She and her campaign overestimated her "likeability" factor and greatly underestimated what the Trump turnout would be, and it broke their system.

She and the Dims in cooperation with the MSM Propaganda Machine Complex and social media, then began running the nonstop "election was rigged, Russian Collusion, yadda yadda yadda" narrative for four years, up until they had 3.5 years to set up a plan for November of 2020 to forcefully get their program back on line.

Seriously, Trump got more votes in his reelection campaign than black Jesus's record-setting vote totals, but they expected us to believe that a fricking breathing turnip got 81,000,000 legitimate votes? The media pivoted from "Trump is illegitimate and stole the election in 2016. Our election system is easily compromised and wholly corrupt" to "This is the most secure election ever. You can trust us, we totally promise" literally overnight as soon as massive ballot dumps came in at 3am in key swing counties in key swing states from coast to coast that favored Biden by a whooping 85 to 1, but we're expected to look the other way again?

Yeah, Trump complained about rigged elections in 2016, and he was right. His turnout was just so overwhelming that it completely broke the system. His opposition, the Establishment Uniparty, made sure to not take any chances at all in 2020, and they'll be looking to repeat the results in 2024.

But to get to the heart of the subject, the OP asked if Trump shared any blame for the 2020 election outcome, and you responded;

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DJT was complaining back in 2015 about rigged elections.

He sets you deplorables up and knocks you down for $.

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I mean seriously, can anyone,- ANYONE just answer a fricking question any more without deflecting to completely abstract nonsense? Everyone comes in just to shite all over "the other guy's people" and just make asses of themselves in the process. This is not a path towards solution or even agreement to disagree.

Unless of course, your intent is only to sow further divisive rhetoric and maintain the status quo of impossible discourse and dysfunctionality that plagues this nation from top to bottom, left to right... In which case, congratulations.

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He was the sitting President and was warning the election was going to be full of fraud

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...while your beloved GOP sat back and did nothing (at best) and in many states watched unconstitutional changes being made to election laws to enable the fraud.

You sure expect Trump to be the savior.

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Repubs ran everything and did nothing to clean up voter fraud in the cities, and never pushed for voter ID laws

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Where did they run everything?

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There is one candidate that is spending a tremendous amount of money currently on ground game, ballot harvesting network, get out the vote teams, mail in awareness etc.

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That shouldn't be a candidate role. It should be a party role.

But, alas, that's not the way the GOP wants it. They don't want the voters to choose the nominee.