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re: Does Ted Cruz believe any criticism of Israel is antisemitism?

Posted on 11/22/25 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 1:13 pm to
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His popularity and views have grown by the millions since the Tucker interview.




Before this latest controversy, I knew little of Fuentes other than a handful of scattered posts on this forum which indicated Fuentes opposed unfettered immigration. Yet Fuentes has been a constant topic of conversation on this very forum for the past month or so.

Even still, I can name few specifics about the policies Fuentes promotes beyond the fact he seems to be making enemies in all the right places. This ironically was the very reason Trump was able to build such a fractious coalition to defeat both the Clinton and Bush political machines.

It is a variation of the Streisand effect. In short, the GOPe’s spasms of outrage over Fuentes is actually feeding interest in him.

Great job GOPe! You have magnified and elevated Fuentes by demanding he be banned from polite society.





Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 1:36 pm to
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No it's not. Oppressor/oppressed ideology is what informs the black community's worldview. It's where people land after abandoning personal responsibility.

You've just made up some weird connection that makes no sense.

Further, Israel is mostly surrounded by enemies, denying that is denying reality.



Claiming Israel is a perpetual victim and surrounded by hostile neighbors is EXACTLY why many on the Christian Right support Israel. Your entire response simply bolsters my point: you simply are too dense to realize it.

See how that works? You will get what you give with me!



Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Yall are in for a very big surprise I fear

Care to elaborate?

Nothing surprises me any more. The veil has been fully lifted and I can see the psyop matrix.

The Right is just as gullible, tribalized and emotionally reactive as the Left. The Narrative Control Apparatus from the three letter agencies to the MSM Propaganda Machine to Hollywood and the music industry to the advertising industrial complex, they all sow daily seeds of division and capitalize on exploiting the human condition to control the populace and further their nefarious agendas. We're all sheep being led to slaughter. Some of us see it.
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 1:56 pm to
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Claiming Israel is a perpetual victim and surrounded by hostile neighbors is EXACTLY why many on the Christian Right support Israel.


Which has nothing to do with an abandonment of personal responsibility and an embrace of oppressor/oppressed ideology. That ideology has zero to do with whether we support foreign nations or which foreign nations we should support. It's a personal ideology that drives people towards anger, bitterness and a desire for revenge.

In other words Ted Cruz doesn't support Israel because Ted Cruz thinks that Ted Cruz is a victim of an invisible hand.

Mamdani supporters want revenge because they see themselves as oppressed.

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You will get what you give with me!



I doubt it.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:03 pm to
Liberty happened 60 years ago. It was ruled to be friendly fire.

60 years after WWII, we were allies with the Japs and Krauts. 60 years after Vietnam War, we are now making deals with Vietnam.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:15 pm to
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Care to elaborate?


Sure. IF you believe this:


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The Right is just as gullible, tribalized and emotionally reactive as the Left. The Narrative Control Apparatus from the three letter agencies to the MSM Propaganda Machine to Hollywood and the music industry to the advertising industrial complex, they all sow daily seeds of division and capitalize on exploiting the human condition to control the populace and further their nefarious agendas. We're all sheep being led to slaughter. Some of us see it.


And, yet, have no idea that this is the EXACT thing Nick Fuentes talks about AND you think Nick Fuentes is the problem then YOU, my friend, ARE the problem.

So I will take it back to this:

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Yall are in for a very big surprise I fear
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:18 pm to
The state of Israel today has no covenant with God.

The Abraham Covenant ended with the crucification of Jesus Christ.

Once that happened Jesus became the covenant and the church became Israel.

Judea was at war with Israel (2nd Kings); how in the world was Israel ever yours if you were at war with them?
Posted by dukesilver72
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:22 pm to
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I'm pro-Israel, too, but, not because of religion. I want to have a solid relationship with Israel because the US needs to work with them, guide them and rely on them to help the USA keep peace in the region, with Israel as the subordinate and obedient partner in this US-Israel relationship.


This is mind numbing stupidity.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:25 pm to
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This is mind numbing stupidity.


Yeah 7 TRILLION with a "T" says how mind numbing most Americans are about this topic.

What could the US have done with 7 Trillion dollars for their own.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:25 pm to
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In other words Ted Cruz doesn't support Israel because Ted Cruz thinks that Ted Cruz is a victim of an invisible hand.




Nothing I said above could be reasonably construed to indicate I thought Cruz was a victim here. It is Israel which is promoted as a poor hapless victim by many on the Christian Right.

Again, you yourself did so above, proving my point. You are such an absolute dumbsh*+.

Now, how do you like those apples? Your game, your rules!

Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:33 pm to
No, no, no. You see, when “whites” want to play the identity politics game, people like you want to dismiss it as victimhood while other races can group together with no pushback.
That’s the uniqueness of being a white male. It’s a reality that should be acknowledged.

Also, the ones you label as “always online” are literally 95% of Gen Z. That’s the world we live in.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:35 pm to
Israel is a state that has citizens of multiple backgrounds.

Criticism of a state is not the same as criticism of Judaism.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:37 pm to
I guess I’d be a little sour too if I was the most cancelled guy in America. That kid had his bank account frozen, was put on a no fly list and had a masked man show up on his front doorstep with a Tech 9 (doxxed by the ADL) all before turning 30.
Pretty resilient imo.
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Nothing I said above could be reasonably construed to indicate I thought Cruz was a victim here


You said about oppressor/oppressed ideology and the abandonment of personal responsibility.

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And that is exactly what informs much of the Right’s support for Israel.


What does people seeing themselves as victims because they have abandoned personal responsibility have to do with supporting Israel?

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It is Israel which is promoted as a poor hapless victim by many on the Christian Right.


Which has nothing to do with what I mentioned about personal responsibility.

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You are such an absolute dumbsh*+.


I simply pointed out that the abandonment of personal responsibility leads to an oppressor/oppressed ideology and you said hurr durr people think Israel is a victim hurr durr...

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:45 pm to
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No surprises here, the woke right is coming. Whether it's Burrito Mussolini or some other person, you guys will be taking over.


Got a load of this guy.

And just think, clowns like this on the MIGA Right genuinely believe they are making coherent philosophical arguments for their undying allegiance to Israel.

It is at turns both hilarious and frightening!



This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Hangit
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:49 pm to
Umm, the kid asked a question about Israel. Israel is a country. Jewish is a religion. Wanting Israel out of your wallet does not mean you are anti-anybody.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:55 pm to
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I simply pointed out that the abandonment of personal responsibility leads to an oppressor/oppressed ideology and you said hurr durr people think Israel is a victim hurr durr...




And you said hurr durr… “Further, Israel is mostly surrounded by enemies…” PROVING the point!

You certainly enjoy self-flagellating in a public manner.

Well, I am more than happy to oblige in helping you humiliate yourself!

You see, I am a GIVER.

This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 3:00 pm
Posted by JoeHackett
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 2:57 pm to
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No, no, no. You see, when “whites” want to play the identity politics game, people like you want to dismiss it as victimhood while other races can group together with no pushback.


I'll explain my position clearer.

Most black people are taught to see themselves as victims and therefore not responsible for their own personal actions. They are oppressed by another group of people. Their politics are dominated by this ideology. Their "leaders' like Jesse Jackson, keep them angry and in search of revenge. This ideology obviously hasn't worked out well the last 60 or so years.

Some people on the "right" are now seeing that model and thinking "we whites should follow suit, we're also victims who shouldn't be personally accountable"... Those people are currently in search of oppressors and are preaching anger and resentment rather than guiding people towards personal responsibility.

So where do you think that ideology will lead those angry whites? Probably to the same place it leads every other group of people.

Charlie Kirk was the largest voice among young people guiding them away from oppressor/oppressed ideologies but after his death that void is being filled by people who will lead us to destruction. Charlie said to follow God, start a family, go to work..... his voice is missed.

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Also, the ones you label as “always online” are literally 95% of Gen Z. That’s the world we live in.



I'm aware, which is why I think the woke right won't be stopped.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:03 pm to
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Charlie Kirk was the largest voice among young people guiding them away from oppressor/oppressed ideologies


And yet, he was violently assassinated because he was a white, Christian male. They literally hate us, and we’re rapidly becoming a minority in a country that OUR ancestors established.
It’s not victimhood to notice that there are more black on white crime, television propaganda and discrimination in hidings/college admissions against our European descended brethren, than the other way around.
It’s reality. Accept it.
The civic nationalism ideology you still believe in is outdated and will be what leads to a quicker destruction in an already failing empire.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 3:05 pm to
The greatest trick propaganda has pulled is convincing white people that they’re the overwhelming majority in the world when in fact they’re one of the smallest minorities.
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