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re: Does anyone understand why having the National Guard helping defeat crime is a bad thing?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:33 pm to Gorilla Ball
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:33 pm to Gorilla Ball
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Does anyone understand why having the National Guard helping defeat crime is a bad thing?
It’s overkill. A guardsman is expensive and an unnecessary expense if we had politicians that were even mildly interested in running a good civilian police force.
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:35 pm to HeadCall
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Unless you put them under State Active Duty orders, in which case the state pays. I don’t know all the particulars off hand.
Correct, as I stated originally. But honestly, if the feds "request" to train in a certain city, and are allowed...whats the difference
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:40 pm to Gorilla Ball
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I just don’t get it?
most of us prefer to not live in an authoritarian police state. Most of us on here claim to be for smaller federal gov, states rights, not militarizing against citizens.....
But then those same people are happy when Trump does all the above...
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:46 pm to GamecockUltimate
quote:Once upon a time. Depends on who's in office these days.
Most of us on here claim to be for smaller federal gov, states rights, not militarizing against citizens.....
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:50 pm to northshorebamaman
Being principled will fix the problems. 
Posted on 8/26/25 at 2:52 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:there it is.
Being principled will fix the problems
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:03 pm to Gorilla Ball
George Washington and John Adams were Federalist. They believed in a strong federal government and believed this is what the government should do. Thomas Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist and believed the states should have power and more control. Members of the National Guard are paid by the federal government, so they are actually federal employees.
There was a big Anti-Federalist movement in the late1780’s and 1790’s, so Thomas Jefferson lead how the Bill of Rights was composed.
George Washington would be in favor of the National Guard going into cities and Thomas Jefferson would be against it.
How you interpret the Constitution and Bill of Rights is probably how you feel about Trump sending National Guard into cities.
There was a big Anti-Federalist movement in the late1780’s and 1790’s, so Thomas Jefferson lead how the Bill of Rights was composed.
George Washington would be in favor of the National Guard going into cities and Thomas Jefferson would be against it.
How you interpret the Constitution and Bill of Rights is probably how you feel about Trump sending National Guard into cities.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:09 pm to jp4lsu
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I could sort of understand DC since it isn't a state. But even then, it will just go back to being crime ridden city when they leave.
Not necessarily. If the city officials make half an effort their police can maintain the order that the Feds leave them with. But in order to do it they have to attack misdemeanors like they matter.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:15 pm to CleverUserName
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It has been brought to light…. Even in the pages of the June 2012 New York Times.. that there is evidence that crime data is being manipulated for various reasons. And there is obvious evidence that leftist judges and prosecutors are routinely reducing violent crimes to misdemeanors.
And here you are STILL saying “Look at the statishsticks!!!!
You’re off base here. SFP showed a 30 year trend. There are no allegations of manipulating crime statistics more than about five years ago. The last five years are in doubt; that graph is not.
Now, what SFP knows and won’t tell you is that crime has dropped because of demographics. We are an aging society, and older people commit fewer violent crimes. So the lawlessness has not gotten better; it’s just that there are fewer people in the criminal demographic.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:18 pm to AuburnTigers
What I mean is that why the left has a problem with this?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:19 pm to captainFid
Agreed - thanks for the explanation
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Those numbers are cooked. No one in their right mind believes that apples to apples crime is less today than in the past.
The blue cities are not arresting people for certain crimes. And the blue cities have abolished other crimes. The proof is that people and businesses are leaving those areas because of the crime.
Why are you are spreading evil lies?
The blue cities are not arresting people for certain crimes. And the blue cities have abolished other crimes. The proof is that people and businesses are leaving those areas because of the crime.
Why are you are spreading evil lies?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:32 pm to Bunk Moreland
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This board is normally against militarization of police.
I am against it also but low life leftist communist city government are using crime as a tactic to destroy our country.
What is your solution?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:36 pm to Gorilla Ball
In theory you don’t want the US military practicing law enforcement on its own citizens. Are there functions the military(especially the National Guard) can provide to assist law enforcement? Of course they can. It depends on the situation and its use. The National Guard is the one force that’s a state militia. It’s a hybrid of things.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:40 pm to Gorilla Ball
I’m with you but what happens after the national guard eventually retreats? The crime will just come back…they’ll just wait it out
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:09 pm to Gorilla Ball
quote:when did this forum stop hating federal police?
I just don’t get it
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:40 pm to Jimmyboy
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The crime will just come back…they’ll just wait it out
This is a strong argument to never enforce the law.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:46 pm to Gorilla Ball
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Does anyone understand why having the National Guard helping defeat crime is a bad thing?
States' rights.
The federal government needs to keep the frick out of the sovereign states.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:09 pm to the808bass
No I’m just curious to hear what the long term solution is.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:17 pm to Gorilla Ball
Obviously, you, too, do not understand that having rampant, serious crime is a bad thing.
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