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re: Does anyone actually believe Ana Navarro is the slightest bit Republican?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:13 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:13 pm to Sentrius
quote:The NTs I know hate the man and what he represents. No one with with s touch of class really hated Obama. Just a lot of his space cadet policies.
Obama never had to deal with anything in his own party like Trump has to do with Never Trumpers in his own party.
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:14 pm to Sentrius
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Obama never had to deal with anything in his own party like Trump has to do with Never Trumpers in his own party.
Obama was a fairly liberal Democrat with a thorough history of left and far left stances.
Trump was a maverick with a history of mixed political positions who achieved notoriety in part doing outlandish and grandiose things.
I get your point, but they're very different situations.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:15 pm to Sentrius
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This board is a conservative board and Obama was a liberal President. Of course they were going to be opposed to him on almost every policy he supported.
Doesn't mean that giving him unnecessary flak is any different than what Navarro is doing.
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Obama never had to deal with anything in his own party like Trump has to do with Never Trumpers in his own party.
Very true
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:17 pm to Navytiger74
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No one with with s touch of class really hated Obama. Just a lot of his space cadet policies.
I mean, I came close to hating Obama.
He's an arrogant douche who wants to undermine a lot of what I think America is about, so, yeah, I strongly dislike him.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:20 pm to Pettifogger
quote:He thinks you’re an arrogant douche who wants to undermine what he thinks America is about. He also wants to flip a coin with you for rank and influence.
He's an arrogant douche who wants to undermine a lot of what I think America is about, so, yeah, I strongly dislike him.
This is the clean break we needed.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:23 pm to Navytiger74
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The NTs I know hate the man and what he represents.
Oh you and your friends have definitely made that clear.
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No one with with s touch of class really hated Obama. Just a lot of his space cadet policies.
He is very much so the SJW president and gave a voice to the mentally and criminally insane that despise America and everything it stands for. The transgender craze owes its success to Obama. He made it possible for someone like Trump to become President as you have to ask yourself when he acted like a celebrity star as POTUS, are you really surprised that an actual celebrity star thought he could be President?
All you needed to know about him was that he had no problem hob knobbing with race hustlers like Deray, Al and Jesse at the White House.
Obama leaving the Oval Office was like America finally passing that kidney stone.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:27 pm to Pettifogger
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Trump was a maverick with a history of mixed political positions who achieved notoriety in part doing outlandish and grandiose things.
And yet I've noticed people from Heritage, the federalist society, and other conservative think tanks saying that it's very possible that Trump could wind up a more conservative POTUS than Ronald Reagan ever was.
I wouldn't got that far as it's still way too early but it definitely has merit.
He's definitely more conservative than Bush 43 ever was though and liberals will tell you that.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:36 pm to Navytiger74
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He thinks you’re an arrogant douche who wants to undermine what he thinks America is about. He also wants to flip a coin with you for rank and influence.
Sure, but my belief about what America "is" is supported with a couple centuries of history
His is centered on deconstruction of my beliefs.
"Feel good" liberals are people I just part with on policy. It doesn't impact my beliefs about them as people, necessarily. Leftists with radical ideologies, or those influenced by radical ideologies, are a different story. Obama is close to the latter camp, although admittedly, he's not all the way there.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:37 pm to Navytiger74
Top pic is not fake. She outright came out on team Hillary and claimed she voted for her because she claimed she despised Trump. It is how her BFF friendship with Donna Brasille came out.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:40 pm to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:42 pm to Sentrius
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He's definitely more conservative than Bush 43 ever was though and liberals will tell you that.
My only objection to this is that he's more conservative in taking positions, not action. And those positions have changed and may change again.
I'm pleasantly surprised that Trump is at least continuing to give lip service to my ideology. But I believe, and I suspect you do too, that Trump is not nearly as committed to conservative ideals as even the average conservative on this board. He's committed to a combination of vanity and practicality. He promised things to conservatives and he wants to check those boxes. He also wants to glorify himself, and I also think he probably has some substantive things he'd like to see advanced in largely non-ideological ways.
For example, I'm sure her really does think America can be a more hospitable environment for business, but I don't think that is based on a conservative worldview of economic liberty. I think he sees the VA and goes "what a shite show, someone should make that less dysfunctional," not "it's a disgrace we can't take care of our veterans as promised."
And frankly, who cares, to some extent. If he fixes things, but for personal or non-ideological reasons, so be it. I think the problem arises when Trump really doesn't care about the liberty or fiscal aspect of Obamacare, he cares about looking like he fulfilled his promise and his debt to conservatives. Which is why he's neither leading on Obamacare nor pushing for any serious action. He's willing to take whatever he's given, for the most part.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:47 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm pleasantly surprised that Trump is at least continuing to give lip service to my ideology. But I believe, and I suspect you do too, that Trump is not nearly as committed to conservative ideals as even the average conservative on this board. He's committed to a combination of vanity and practicality. He promised things to conservatives and he wants to check those boxes. He also wants to glorify himself, and I also think he probably has some substantive things he'd like to see advanced in largely non-ideological ways.
Trump did not run on a conservative economic policy. "punishing" businesses that move overseas or to mexicco is the opposite of conservative.
As depressing as it is, he won because he did not take the conservative economic position. Usually, free markets don't sell to voters, because voters want to hear what will be done FOR them, or given TO them.
Going to a run down town in Michigan where the factories are gone and saying "your job and way of life is gone, but by golly you have cheaper cars and food now!".....is not a viable strategy.
It's very hard to win by articulating free market principles.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:48 pm to TigersSEC2010
Ana Navarro is a strong Latino woman and she wants you to know it!!!!
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:48 pm to TigersSEC2010
Because she questions Trump?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Trump did not run on a conservative economic policy. "punishing" businesses that move overseas or to mexicco is the opposite of conservative.
I agree with your post, but I'm responding specifically for those who are trying to attach the "he's sooo conservative" label to Trump.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:52 pm to Pettifogger
Trump is a paleoconservative, which is pretty out of line with what conservatism has been since the 80s.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:55 pm to Pettifogger
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"he's sooo conservative"
Trump doesn't have many "conservative" values, socially or politically.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:57 pm to TigersSEC2010
If someone works for Fox (except Juan), they'll claim conservative status.......if they work for anyone else, they'll claim victim status
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:58 pm to TigersSEC2010
Is part of the litmus test for being a Republican whether you like Trump or not? A lot of Republicans can't stand the man.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:03 pm to Texas Weazel
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Because she questions Trump?
That's all she does.
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